1924 World Series footage

[FrankWakefield]

There is nothing to be said, other than to express one's own biases.

Mike... that is that Trout guy's name. I've not seen him play. I've watched a few innings of games in which he played with whatever the MLB subscription I have is (which is crap because for various reasons they black out 30+ games a season when I wanna watch the Cardinals). Trout doesn't seem to me to be all that other people see. I don't think he is a lock for the HOF. I'd not be upset if he didn't get in. I recall hearing a Dad tell his young son how great a player some Strasburg guy was, he was an unbeatable pitcher who would certainly be in the Hall. It was a "lock," I heard, whatever that was. I think he is no longer in the majors. I don't think he'll make the Hall, I don't think he ever won 20 games in the Majors. I felt that when that Dad was talking back then, I think that now about Trout stuff.

I don't think pitcher bore down throwing quality pitches on every pitch. I don't think Johnson threw competitive fastballs that were going 83 miles an hour. Golly, as a kid (20-25 years of age) I think I could throw in the high 70s and occasionally in the very low 80s. Walter Johnson could vastly surpass that. I stood in on guys throwing in the low 90s. I can't imagine that Walter was throwing that slow. (Should that have been slowly? Stood in equates to I was in the batter's box and lacked the ability to take a timely swing at a ball moving in the low 90s, nor the high 80s, nor the mid 80s)

Of course I didn't see Walter pitch. But I can't imagine that if he pitched now he'd be mediocre.

The runners in the video aren't running faster, the video of the film is from a film that's running faster.

NEGATIVE 1. I applaud that up there, and agree with it.

I saw a game in St. Louis in the old ball park, sat in the right field pavilion with the screen in front of it. Starters were Gibson and Koufax. I can still hear the pop of the catchers' mitts as they caught those two, that was about 60 years ago. Gibson and Koufax must to have been topping out at 85 mph at least.


Ok, fans of Trout and Strasburg... vote out of the Hall Cobb, Wagner, Cy Young, Walter, Christy, Alexander, and the like.... and then fill the damn hall up with mediocre modern ballplayers like Trout, Puckett, and Baines and the like... those would be players who'd struggle to hit Walter Johnson's 83 mph fastball.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by FrankWakefield

There is nothing to be said, other than to express one's own biases.

Mike... that is that Trout guy's name. I've not seen him play. I've watched a few innings of games in which he played with whatever the MLB subscription I have is (which is crap because for various reasons they black out 30+ games a season when I wanna watch the Cardinals). Trout doesn't seem to me to be all that other people see. I don't think he is a lock for the HOF. I'd not be upset if he didn't get in. I recall hearing a Dad tell his young son how great a player some Strasburg guy was, he was an unbeatable pitcher who would certainly be in the Hall. It was a "lock," I heard, whatever that was. I think he is no longer in the majors. I don't think he'll make the Hall, I don't think he ever won 20 games in the Majors. I felt that when that Dad was talking back then, I think that now about Trout

I don't think pitcher bore down throwing quality pitches on every pitch. I don't think Johnson threw competitive fastballs that were going 83 miles an hour. Golly, as a kid (20-25 years of age) I think I could throw in the high 70s and occasionally in the very low 80s. Walter Johnson could vastly surpass that. I stood in on guys throwing in the low 90s. I can't imagine that Walter was throwing that slow. (Should that have been slowly? Stood in equates to I was in the batter's box and lacked the ability to take a timely swing at a ball moving in the low 90s, nor the high 80s, nor the mid 80s)

Of course I didn't see Walter pitch. But I can't imagine that if he pitched now he'd be mediocre.

The runners in the video aren't running faster, the video of the film is from a film that's running faster.

NEGATIVE 1. I applaud that up there, and agree with it.

I saw a game in St. Louis in the old ball park, sat in the right field pavilion with the screen in front of it. Starters were Gibson and Koufax. I can still hear the pop of the catchers' mitts as they caught those two, that was about 60 years ago. Gibson and Koufax must to have been topping out at 85 mph at least.


Ok, fans of Trout and Strasburg... vote out of the Hall Cobb, Wagner, Cy Young, Walter, Christy, Alexander, and the like.... and then fill the damn hall up with mediocre modern ballplayers like Trout, Puckett, and Baines and the like... those would be players who'd struggle to hit Walter Johnson's 83 mph fastball.

Beautiful rant Frank and 100% agree, just an FYI, if you set up a VPN that works with MLB.com you can watch all those blacked out games. Just google "how to get blacked out baseball games". Go Giants!

[frankbmd]

In the current strikeout era there seems to be an epidemic of injuries requiring Tommy John operations. Could this be related to the proliferation of 100 mph fastballs currently? Any old timer with such an injury wouldn’t be throwing as fast or would have an abbreviated career. I’m of the opinion that the current era of “heat” is related to the increased incidence of elbow injuries.

As much as I like Ohtani, with two TJs under his belt, I think his future as a pitcher with the Dodgers may be wishful thinking.

[Seven]

A few comments:

The footage is fantastic. I'm not even sure the people in 1924 would be able to comprehend that our national pastime is still being played 100 years later!

Secondly, to the debate that is had constantly: we can only judge these men by how good they were to their peers. We cannot hop in a time machine and take Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, from their time and plop them into today's game. They were the cream of the crop when they played, no questions asked.

In 1924, modern weight training didn't exist, players traveled on sleeper cars and most if not all held jobs in the offseason. Most players played every game of the season, and pitchers almost always went a full 9 innings. I'd like to see any player today accomplish what they do now, under those circumstances!

My point being, we can argue this until we're blue in the face. We're not gonna get anywhere. Just enjoy looking at where we were, and where we are now.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Seven

A few comments:The footage is fantastic. I'm not even sure the people in 1924 would be able to comprehend that our national pastime is still being played 100 years later! Secondly, to the debate that is had constantly: we can only judge these men by how good they were to their peers. We cannot hop in a time machine and take Walter Johnson, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, from their time and plop them into today's game. They were the cream of the crop when they played, no questions asked. In 1924, modern weight training didn't exist, players traveled on sleeper cars and most if not all held jobs in the offseason. Most players played every game of the season, and pitchers almost always went a full 9 innings. I'd like to see any player today accomplish what they do now, under those circumstances! My point being, we can argue this until we're blue in the face. We're not gonna get anywhere. Just enjoy looking at where we were, and where we are now.

+1

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

In the current strikeout era there seems to be an epidemic of injuries requiring Tommy John operations. Could this be related to the proliferation of 100 mph fastballs currently? Any old timer with such an injury wouldn’t be throwing as fast or would have an abbreviated career. I’m of the opinion that the current era of “heat” is related to the increased incidence of elbow injuries.
As much as I like Ohtani, with two TJs under his belt, I think his future as a pitcher with the Dodgers may be wishful thinking.

I agree completely. This reminds me very much of a guy who is seemingly forgotten, but whose work I believe deserves further study: Mike Marshall. A somewhat short, fattish guy who pitched incessantly and featured a screwball (now no doubt called four or five other things by the creative geniuses who feel the need to rename things every few years to help justify their jobs). For a guy who threw ALL THE TIME and did so at a high level, I believe he was/is ignored because he rubbed the establishment the wrong way. But when you have Tommy John himself extolling Marshall's theories of pitching and kinesiology, you should sit up and pay attention. SABR gives us a great recap of Mike and his careers. https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/mike-marshall/

BTW_ cool video-- thanks for the link.