1991 Topps variations

[Pat R]

I just finished comparing the information on a couple of boxes that I opened and it seems apparent that it's as much about where they were printed as it is when with some of the variations.

Both boxes were from a later printing and both were 15 count cellos.

With the variations that I outlined in red boxes if everything was printed in the same place some of the variations would had to have been corrected and then become incorrect a 2nd time which seems highly unlikely.

I would speculate that the glow back sheets were printed in a different place/area from the non glow back sheets.

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[Pat R]

I just finished going through a 34 count cello box that I had opened a few weeks ago and now I am certain that I am right about some of the variations being printed at the same time but in different areas.

It is an interesting box with 1/2 of the B sheet cards having bold no glow logos and the other 1/2 glow no bold. Also there wasn't a single E or F sheet card in the entire box.

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[Rich Klein]

Just a reminder that I do my best to add variations I can figure out (not just in 1991 Topps) to the COMC Data Base. You can either

1) Send Correction Requests to get variations in

2) DM me here. I know Dylan does DM me at times and we have conversations as appropriate

Rich

[Pat R]

Here's a Jesse Orosco variation from an early box that came before the hand-drawn 5 in the 1984 strikeouts.

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[ALR-bishop]

Fascinating stuff in this thread about what is now a 30 + year old set. At the same time I have been following the research of another member on the printing processes and oddities of the 70 year old 52 set. Am enjoying watching both efforts. I have to think the Topps people that put these sets would be amazed at the deep dives into stuff they likely viewed as very basic get the product out the door process

[saucywombat]

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

Hi Dave, in my experience what you are calling the "corrected" versions are only found on no glow backs

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

You can add #725 Ron Gant to the list. Also I can confirm that the following cards exist both with and without the Mark.

#743 - Bryn Smith
#725 - Ron Gant
#684 - Milt Cuyler
#566 - Craig Wilson
#533 - Odibe McDowell
#498 - Mark Salas
#383 Pete Smith
#351 - Joe Torre
#185 - Joe Magrane
#88 - Bob Tewkesbury
#75 - Jack Morris

I also have #693 Francisco Cabrera and #519 Sparky Anderson with very faint marks

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by saucywombat

Noticed that some players have an essentially identical dark spot or hashmark on the the "4" in the the "40 Years of Baseball" Logo. Most players have a corrected version but some do not. Most with corrected versions are equally divided in quantity between mark and corrected versions.

An interesting aspect is that all of the players are on either the Tigers, Braves or Cardinals.

772 - Kent Mercker (Braves)
743 - Bryn Smith (Cardinals)
742 - Tommy Gregg (Braves)
693 - Francisco Cabrera (Braves)
684- Milt Cuyler (Tigers)
632 - Lloyd Moseby (Tigers)
566 - Craig Wilson (Cardinals)
533 - Odibe McDowell (Braves)
519 - Sparky Anderson (Tigers)
498 - Mark Salas (Tigers)
492 - Ernie Whitt (Braves)
383 - Pete Smith (Braves)
351 - Joe Torre (Cardinals)
185 - Joe Magrane (Cardinals)
160 - Vince Coleman (Cardinals)
88 - Bob Tewksbury (Cardinals)
75 - Jack Morris (Tigers)
41 - Ken Dayley (Cardinals)

Curious if any "corrected" versions come only from factory sets. Or if some were never corrected?

There's a group of cards similar to this group that has a mark over the Y in years in the 40th logo banner.

There are seven players that have this mark on all of their cards in the base set.
91 topps Glavine with mark over 40th banner.jpg
This is the list of players that have the mark

#26 Luis Sojo
#82 Tom Glavine
#267 Mark Knudson
#328 Walt Terrell
#365 Mike Schooler
#544 Alejandro Pena
#571 Pat Combs

one oddity in the group is #544 Pena. All of the other cards have the mark on their Desert Shield and Tiffany cards but Pena only has it on his Desert shield card the mark is not on his Tiffany card.




As far as I know it's only these seven subjects that have it on all of their cards. A similar mark can occasionally be found on some random players but it's only found on a small % and not all of their cards have it.

Here's a Marvell Wynne that has the mark on a few of his cards

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