Doctored Nodgrass T206 Error

[Leon]

That's just sad.

Originally Posted by Natedog

This example from Dean's is even worse. It looks like someone took an eraser to the "S", and got part of the "n" as well. At least PSA didn't label it as an error.


https://www.ebay.com/itm/29619157077...Bk9SR4SX_4OqYw

[Fred]

Sad? I'm going to call it PATHETIC.

Those guys are trying to get "nodgrass" money for an obviously doctored card.

I've never bought from Deans because of their slightly higher than going rate prices. I thought they were supposed to be reputable. Slowly moving to the other side, I guess.

Or is it my bad and the $3460 asking price is just another Deans price that is above the normal range for a standard T206.

How the heck did PSA not decline to slab it or encapsulate it in an AUTH/ALT holder?

EDITED TO AD - This is one of those cards that would go through that ebay authentication process right? If so, I wonder if that authentication process would slam it and say HELL NO.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Fred

Sad? I'm going to call it PATHETIC.

Those guys are trying to get "nodgrass" money for an obviously doctored card.

I've never bought from Deans because of their slightly higher than going rate prices. I thought they were supposed to be reputable. Slowly moving to the other side, I guess.

Or is it my bad and the $3460 asking price is just another Deans price that is above the normal range for a standard T206.

How the heck did PSA not decline to slab it or encapsulate it in an AUTH/ALT holder?

EDITED TO AD - This is one of those cards that would go through that ebay authentication process right? If so, I wonder if that authentication process would slam it and say HELL NO.

It would easily pass the eBay authenticity program. They are looking for slabs that have been tampered with. They are not regrading anything.

[Fred]

What I don't understand is why PSA would slab it without labeling it ALTERED because the "S" was obviously erased. Or perhaps the TPG grader had no clue what they did when grading it. Perhaps that makes more sense.

This whole ebay authentication thing is confusing. For non-graded cards, would the ebay authentication (or whatever it is) reject it if the card was obviously altered? For example, if the Snodgrass T206 had the "S" erased, would they allow it to be sold? For this reason, it would be nice if the TPGs had graders that knew the series. Ok, next thing to be heard is "well, there's so many different sets that no one can be an expert on everything". Well, T206 is probably one of those premier sets that the TPGs should take note of. All the different errors, the different backs and factories associated with backs, etc.

[Fred]

Sometimes I'm like a dog with a bone...

I sent a message to Deans cards via ebay, here's the message:

I don't see the "S" in the last name. Can an assumption be made that this is the "nodgrass" error card and that's the reason for the $3460 price tag?

I didn't think there'd be a response. But here it is:


Thank you for your inquiry. That is correct, this is the rare variation without the 'S' in 'Snodgrass'. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns and I would be happy to help. Have a great day.

Well, that's why the card has that price tag, they believe it's an error card. I'd rather see that response than something that alludes to it possibly being an error card. I send a reply letting them know it's not an error card. I'll be diplomatic about it and hope they do a little research on the topic and make their own determination about it.

[Leon]

That's unfortunate.

Originally Posted by Fred

Sometimes I'm like a dog with a bone...

I sent a message to Deans cards via ebay, here's the message:

I don't see the "S" in the last name. Can an assumption be made that this is the "nodgrass" error card and that's the reason for the $3460 price tag?

I didn't think there'd be a response. But here it is:


Thank you for your inquiry. That is correct, this is the rare variation without the 'S' in 'Snodgrass'. Please let me know if you have any other questions or concerns and I would be happy to help. Have a great day.

Well, that's why the card has that price tag, they believe it's an error card. I'd rather see that response than something that alludes to it possibly being an error card. I send a reply letting them know it's not an error card. I'll be diplomatic about it and hope they do a little research on the topic and make their own determination about it.

[Fred]

Update - I sent the follow up message:

Would it be possible for the team at Deans to do a little research on the topic of the "nodgrass" error card.

"nodgrass" error cards will have a partial piece of the right side of the "S" still visible from the broken die. The card in question is not an error card. Look closely at the location where the "S" would be. There is evidence of erasure of the "S". When compared to a "nodgrass" card caused by a broken die, the difference will be noticeable.

This is being brought to the attention of Dean's Sports Cards in the spirit of trying to keep Dean's informed.


Received the following response 0n 06FEB24:

Thank you for bringing this to our attention - we will have someone look into this now.

Here's the follow up by Deans later that day:

Hello,

Thanks for your note and for bringing this to our attention. After further review of the card, it appears that the correct variation of the card is "batting" and not the spelling variation of "Nodgrass". We have updated this in our database, and it should update on ebay shortly.

Thanks again,

Michelle Wall - Dean's Cards

The item description indicates Nodgrass error, but with a reduced price from $3460 to $1499. I'll send another message to see if they clean it up. It's been 2 days since that last message was received from Deans.