Alex Rodriguez Thinks He Is Entitled

[packs]

You are still treating subjective things like they're provable facts or something. I said Pettitte was an all-time Yankee because he is. How do I know that? Because the franchise retired his number and put a monument of him in Monument Park.

You took that to mean there is some kind of starting nine or something that A-Rod belongs to and it's absurd to say he doesn't. But that has nothing to do with who fans consider to be all-time players for their franchise. Because once again, something like retiring someone's number or seeing them as an all-time player for your team is determined by the fan base and not stats.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

Haha you are still treating subjective things like they're provable facts or something. I said Pettitte was an all-time Yankee because he is. How do I know that? Because the franchise retired his number and put a monument of him in Monument Park.

You took that to mean there is some kind of starting nine or something that A-Rod belongs to and it's absurd to say he doesn't. But that has nothing to do with who fans consider to be all-time players for their franchise. Because once again, something like retiring someone's number or seeing them as an all-time player for your team is determined by the fan base and not stats.

I see we're doing the shift since you can't explain not being able to read the second clause, as usual.

We all know A-Rod is an all-time great Yankee and by far their best 3B. Your reformulation here is that "A-Rod is not because he isn't retired and Pettitte is because he is retired" - no shit, we know A-Rod hasn't had his number retired, Sherlock . The discussion is whether or not he should be or it is reasonable for him to expect to be.

[packs]

Originally Posted by G1911

I see we're doing the shift since you can't explain not being able to read the second clause, as usual.

We all know A-Rod is an all-time great Yankee and by far their best 3B. Your reformulation here is that "A-Rod is not because he isn't retired and Pettitte is because he is retired" - no shit, we know A-Rod hasn't had his number retired, Sherlock . The discussion is whether or not he should be or it is reasonable for him to expect to be.

It is pretty obvious to everyone that you don't follow the Yankees, you don't have an informed opinion on who the franchise honors or why, and you don't know how Yankee fans feel about their own players.

But you are correct always.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

It is pretty obvious to everyone that you don't follow the Yankees, you don't have an informed opinion on who the franchise honors or why, and you don't know how Yankee fans feel about their own players.

But you are correct always.

And it's pretty obvious you can't read sentences with more than one clause.

[packs]

Because it has nothing to do with anything. A-Rod can't put up stats that will convince anyone to retire his number. He himself would have been the catalyst and we know how that turned out.

[ClementeFanOh]

Peter- You're correct in that this isn't hard to grasp, you are just getting the
"hard to grasp" item wrong (deliberately, in all likelihood)...

The original post was a self-described "vent" by someone who expressed
astonishment/contempt/bemusement about the continuous self-involved
exploits of ARod, who apparently had to start a campaign to get his number
retired by the Yankees (yes, he's burrowing ever lower into the desperate
former athlete category). This is very, very easy to follow UNTIL people
derail. You and the omniscient baseball guru 1911 fall into this category.
You and 1911 are essentially the "ARods" of this thread, actually- blissfully
unaware that you are in the wrong and dug in. Feel free to stay there, but
it won't make either of you right.

Bottom line: the Yankees organization clearly feels that they have no need,
and certainly no obligation, to honor a fecal stain who caused them
headache after headache. It's their call, everything else is smoke. Capisce?

Trent King

[G1911]

Oh, if only omniscience was as easy to achieve as recognize the indisputable fact that PED scandal is not the barrier to Yankee number retirement we would all be omniscient.

I am always amused when you and I are throw in together, Peter, considering that we do nothing but argue with each other and agree on almost nothing under the sun beyond some elementary underling facts of whatever the issue is.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Post 20 raised the PED question as to whether he was overrated as a player. I responded to that by questioning how anyone in the steroid era could be fairly evaluated, and Greg pointed out that PEDs could not be the reason for devaluing ARod by the Yankees given how they treated Petitte. This is all clearly within the subject, easy to understand, and I don't know what your issue is at this point, though I won't take it personally if you want to rant and rave some more.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What Greg is saying is really not that hard to grasp. I don't know why people are fighting it.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What Greg is saying is really not that hard to grasp. I don't know why people are fighting it.

Because I said it