What single card do you think will increase in value the most in 10 years

[perezfan]

Well it likely won't increase the most, but I think Roberto Clemente's 2nd year card (1956) has lots of future upside. It's currently quite affordable and costs waaaaay less than his '55 Rookie. But it is an aesthetically beautiful card, and his legendary status seems to grow stronger as time marches on.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well it likely won't increase the most, but I think Roberto Clemente's 2nd year card (1956) has lots of future upside. It's currently quite affordable and costs waaaaay less than his '55 Rookie. But it is an aesthetically beautiful card, and his legendary status seems to grow stronger as time marches on.

Shhh, I only have 1 of the 3 versions crossed off my want list.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by G1911

Shhh, I only have 1 of the 3 versions crossed off my want list.

White back, gray back, and what is the 3rd version?

[RhodeyRhode]

I have often wondered if vintage cards will remain going higher. I always wondered as time goes on if the next generations would still have interest in these players or only care for the cards of today with auto's and 1 of 1's to hold.

[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by RhodeyRhode

I have often wondered if vintage cards will remain going higher. I always wondered as time goes on if the next generations would still have interest in these players or only care for the cards of today with auto's and 1 of 1's to hold.

Do people still collect items signed/owned by Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Lincoln, or do they only want Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden (please no political commentary, you get the point). Is Rembrandt, Monet, and Picasso losing interest and value to Banksy and Basquat (excuse spelling). Are classic early and original cars no longer desirable, as people collect first generation Teslas and Rivians?

Look, maybe in time people lose interest in the old old stuff- maybe bc it’s baseball, maybe bc it’s old, maybe both. But above are some examples where that has not happened and unlikely to happen, and I personally believe that prewar vintage is more like Washington and Monet than Lionel Trains and Delftware

Time will tell. I am long on the prewar blue chip. I hope I am right!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

White back, gray back, and what is the 3rd version?

I seem to recall seeing discussions of a "cream" colored version of some 56 Topps cards?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

White back, gray back, and what is the 3rd version?

They are little collected and barely known, but a number of 1956 Topps cards have a cropping variation where the image is slightly different. This does not occur on the gray back, so it's a total of 3.

White back, cropping #1 (cap not cut by border)
Grey back, cropping #1 (cap not cut by border)
Whit back, cropping #2 (cap cut off by border)

Clemente is one of these cards and the biggest name. Pee Wee Reese is probably the second biggest name, there are probably more that we have not identified as some of the differences are even smaller than on the Clemente here. It probably has to do with the multiple slots on a sheet, but why it's only on the whites and not the grey sheets (I believe the grey to have been printed second, but that is a deduction and not a fact). Neither cropping appears to be rare.

Here are two examples; note the top of his cap and how on the raw card here it is cut off by the card border, but on the PSA example it is not.


EDIT: Also, the red dot on his uniform in the action picture is a recurring defect but I am not counting as a genuine variation as the three above actually are.

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by G1911

They are little collected and barely known, but a number of 1956 Topps cards have a cropping variation where the image is slightly different. This does not occur on the gray back, so it's a total of 3.

White back, cropping #1 (cap not cut by border)
Grey back, cropping #1 (cap not cut by border)
Whit back, cropping #2 (cap cut off by border)

Clemente is one of these cards and the biggest name. Pee Wee Reese is probably the second biggest name, there are probably more that we have not identified as some of the differences are even smaller than on the Clemente here. It probably has to do with the multiple slots on a sheet, but why it's only on the whites and not the grey sheets (I believe the grey to have been printed second, but that is a deduction and not a fact). Neither cropping appears to be rare.

Here are two examples; note the top of his cap and how on the raw card here it is cut off by the card border, but on the PSA example it is not.


EDIT: Also, the red dot on his uniform in the action picture is a recurring defect but I am not counting as a genuine variation as the three above actually are.

Haha, that is one of the biggest stretches of a variation I have heard of. Makes the partial diamond on the '55 Jackie seem much more legit in comparison.

Thanks for answering my question though. Hadn't heard of that cropping issue on his helmet.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

Haha, that is one of the biggest stretches of a variation I have heard of. Makes the partial diamond on the '55 Jackie seem much more legit in comparison.

Thanks for answering my question though. Hadn't heard of that cropping issue on his helmet.

The variation in the 56 Clemente is the same as the 55 Jackie; a cropping difference resulting from multiple slots in the sheet and not sharing the exact same pattern between slots.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by G1911

They are little collected and barely known, but a number of 1956 Topps cards have a cropping variation where the image is slightly different. This does not occur on the gray back, so it's a total of 3.

White back, cropping #1 (cap not cut by border)
Grey back, cropping #1 (cap not cut by border)
Whit back, cropping #2 (cap cut off by border)

Clemente is one of these cards and the biggest name. Pee Wee Reese is probably the second biggest name, there are probably more that we have not identified as some of the differences are even smaller than on the Clemente here. It probably has to do with the multiple slots on a sheet, but why it's only on the whites and not the grey sheets (I believe the grey to have been printed second, but that is a deduction and not a fact). Neither cropping appears to be rare.

Here are two examples; note the top of his cap and how on the raw card here it is cut off by the card border, but on the PSA example it is not.


EDIT: Also, the red dot on his uniform in the action picture is a recurring defect but I am not counting as a genuine variation as the three above actually are.

I have the ultra RARE and almost never seen RED/Pink DOT Version with the white Back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Well it likely won't increase the most, but I think Roberto Clemente's 2nd year card (1956) has lots of future upside. It's currently quite affordable and costs waaaaay less than his '55 Rookie. But it is an aesthetically beautiful card, and his legendary status seems to grow stronger as time marches on.

With the exception of the 311, it doesn't seem to me anyone has really cared all that much about second year cards. It's funny I was looking at 56 Clementes the other day and my thought was they seemed to have come way up in price.

[packs]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

With the exception of the 311, it doesn't seem to me anyone has really cared all that much about second year cards. It's funny I was looking at 56 Clementes the other day and my thought was they seemed to have come way up in price.

I don't know if that's totally true. The 52 Bowmans for Mantle and Mays do well. So does the 52 Topps Mays. The 53 Topps for each are also high priced, though Mays is an SP.

1950 Bowman Jackie's do pretty well too.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't know if that's totally true. The 52 Bowmans for Mantle and Mays do well. So does the 52 Topps Mays. The 53 Topps for each are also high priced, though Mays is an SP.

1950 Bowman Jackie's do pretty well too.

Fair enough, but for the most part, a second year card is not a big deal in the hobby.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Fair enough, but for the most part, a second year card is not a big deal in the hobby.

I think you're right.

I also think there's a bit of a sea change with buyers trading down to 2nd year cards. It seems like prices on a lot of those pieces have risen a bit more due to that trading down effect. "If I can't get the rookie because it's so bloody expensive, then I'll pick up the 2nd year card instead".

Not sure whether the trend will continue, but it seems to be a relatively recent phenomenon, particularly in light of prices going to the moon on a lot of 1st year issues.

[packs]

I don't think it'll get to the level of every HOFer's second year card will rise, but for the cream of the crop I think it'll remain true.

For others, sometimes there's a card that's so striking it outsells rookies or any other card for that player. I'm thinking of a card like the 1953 Bowman of Pee Wee Reese. Or the 1941 Play Ball DiMaggio.

I think the phenomenon rears its head the most in basketball. Second year Jordans do well, as do the Bird and Magic cards. Mostly because their rookies are multiplayer. But still.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think it'll get to the level of every HOFer's second year card will rise, but for the cream of the crop I think it'll remain true.

For others, sometimes there's a card that's so striking it outsells rookies or any other card for that player. I'm thinking of a card like the 1953 Bowman of Pee Wee Reese. Or the 1941 Play Ball DiMaggio.

I think the phenomenon rears its head the most in basketball. Second year Jordans do well, as do the Bird and Magic cards. Mostly because their rookies are multiplayer. But still.

52T Jackie, 50B is not even close.
Does anyone care about 40PB Ted?

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by packs

1950 Bowman Jackie's do pretty well too.

Especially for a 4th year card of Robinson :

1947: Bond Bread portrait (s).
1948: Swell Sports Thrills
1949: Bowman, Leaf
1950: Bowman