Would you sell cards to buy gold or silver coins?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by todeen

It's historically accurate, as the breakdown of a collective govt devolves into regions of control. The Middle East's collapse with the Arab Spring brought rise to ISIS who took control of regions poorly managed. Even modern Afghanistan and Pakistan are kept together by a coalition govt willing to concede power to tribal/clan leaders in exchange for tribute. Most modern countries saw a strong leader rise that combined smaller kingdoms into a larger kingdom. Even as near as 1850, modern Germany and Italy did not exist. When kingdoms fall apart, local strongmen arise that can take control. While initial chaos happens, that chaos creates a power vacuum that brings rise to leaders - good or bad.

These new centers of control need currency. Why not silver coins in a region that is still a silver capital?

If a collective of farmers want to fill that power vacuum, so be it. But in Eastern WA, there are enough small highways to get to Canada. We have a single lane highway that runs all the way from Spokane to Nelson, BC. That's the road I would need to take to flee. It would be controlled by someone; possibly even a Native American tribe because it runs through their reservation.

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In none of these examples, did you have a real lack of order. Those armed and organized and able to create some stability fill power vacuums. You did not have civilization ceasing; you got different government.

Collectives of farmers and Native-Americans charging toll fees for roads and everyone else peaceably paying it and adopting a silver standard as civilization ceases sounds like some hippie science fiction with no grounding in actual history. Nowhere in the history of the world has civilization collapsed and collectives of farmers and Native-Americans become the power brokers by virtue of placing a fee on a road. The absurdity of this should be immediately obvious. Europe in 1850 was not a fall of civilization and groups of peaceable farmers running an economy emerging from road tolls. The Levant in the 2010's was not a scenario of civilization crumbling and Native-Americans peaceably filling the void because they lived closest to a road.

I have nothing against investing in silver, but this is the most absurd reasoning imaginable for it. This must be a joke. Good luck with your silver road plan.

[Peter_Spaeth]

An AK-47 might serve you better at a roadblock than a handful of silver coins LOL. This is so stupid. And if it all falls apart, guess what, Canada ain't going to be any better off, won't be any reason to go there.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

An AK-47 might serve you better at a roadblock than a handful of silver coins LOL. This is so stupid. And if it all falls apart, guess what, Canada ain't going to be any better off, won't be any reason to go there.

25 silver coins will buy you a serviceable AK today in advance for those who think this science fiction fantasy isn’t a fantasy.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

25 silver coins will buy you a serviceable AK today in advance for those who think this science fiction fantasy isn’t a fantasy.

And to think I buy regularly from a farmers' coop. I may have to reassess that group. I think they may be just waiting to fill a power vacuum.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And to think I buy regularly from a farmers' coop. I may have to reassess that group. I think they may be just waiting to fill a power vacuum.

Any day now. I’ve known for years those friendly guys at the Saturday farmers market that sell me my vegetables are just waiting for their chance to institute big silver and take over the roads. Surely some silver coins will enable me to take this new freedom road to Canada. I better trade my AK’s in for silver right now and prep for this. Silver will serve me much better at Native-American roadblocks.

I think the card pumpers are ridiculous sometimes but damn, silver pumpers are next level. The fantasies people have…

[Peter_Spaeth]

By the way, suppose you buy your way to the Canadian border past the farmers and Native Americans. In the type of scenario described, that border is going to be heavily guarded by soldiers, I would imagine. Then what? Oh, wait, I know, you bring some Maple Leafs too?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By the way, suppose you buy your way to the Canadian border past the farmers and Native Americans. In the type of scenario described, that border is going to be heavily guarded by soldiers, I would imagine. Then what? Oh, wait, I know, you bring some Maple Leafs too?

Yes, and you travel at night, and crawl low to the ground. That way all you need to evade are infrared sensors picking up the heat from your body. You'll want an insulated suit to minimize your body heat, a bag of ice to exhale into to minimize the heat from your exhale, and be sure to wear a diaper to trap heat if you pass gas.

On a more serious note, a currency can collapse, or reset, without the country breaking up or the government collapsing. Back in 1985 when I was in Italy, a dollar was worth 1,770 lira. The lira didn't start out as being near worthless.

I prefer maple leafs, in gold, for one simple reason. The USA did actually make owning gold illegal, from FDR to Gerald Ford. If that happens again, a scenario of sneaking north to cash out gold maples in Canada (if it's illegal here) could play out.

So:
Heat insulated suit
Bag if ice
Diapers

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By the way, suppose you buy your way to the Canadian border past the farmers and Native Americans. In the type of scenario described, that border is going to be heavily guarded by soldiers, I would imagine. Then what? Oh, wait, I know, you bring some Maple Leafs too?

In this scenario, in which the US has had civilization collapse but Canada is a land of safety and civilization still for some magical reason (is this weirder than the Native American road control? I have such a hard time picking the most lunatic part here), I presume you get in as part of the road fare, the native Americans will vouch that you’re down with the tribe and you should be let in or something. I don’t know.