S74-2 silks info needed

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Silverskulls

Thanks everyone for sharing the great info in this thread. I’m pretty new to silks and found it really helpful, especially because the one that really sparked my interest is a Hal Chase that I recently picked up at a local card show.

Photos of the raw silk attached here.

Appears to be a 1911 S74-2 Hal Chase (Old Mill) in a blood red color with black ink (the colored ones were all issued w/o paper backs).

After reviewing auction records, Google image, S74silk.com and Net54, I have not seen another Chase with this specific combination of red silk and black ink. The blood red silk is not to be confused with the light pink silk that also exists (S74silk.com names them pink and red).

The closest I’ve seen is this (not my card) BVG slabbed Hal Chase in the same color silk but printed in red ink: https://www.flickr.com/photos/calvindog/4615845011/

S74silk.com has a Doolan with this red silk/black ink combo: http://www.s74silk.com/coloredsilks/

Here’s a quilt with a Larry Doyle and John Hummel on red silk with black ink: https://www.invaluable.com/v2/auctio...0-c-38f4573902

Has anyone else seen an S74 Hal Chase on red silk with black ink? Or any other players?

Thanks in advance for any info!

Justin

PS, for anyone interested, there’s also this newer thread from 2023 about silks too:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...highlight=Silk

Hey Justin,

Great Chase silk. The deep red colored S74-2s are one of the rarer material colors to find. Yours has a bit of fading it looks like, which isn't all that unusual as they are over 100 years old. But the image is NOT printed with black ink, it just looks like black ink because it was originally printed on a dark red material. As previously mentioned, they only used three different ink colors for the images on both the S74-1 white silks, and the S74-2 colored version silks: blue, brown and a red/rust color. My guess is yours may have been the blue ink version, which when printed on the dark red material makes it look black. And the fading probably didn't help as it likely took out some of the shine/luster of the blue ink, and left the duller, blackish looking color behind.

When the brown or red/rust color inks were used on these dark red colored material silks, it was often kind of tough to actually make out the player's images and the tobacco brand names on them. Maybe a reason why you don't see the dark red material silks that often, as the manufacturers quickly realized they didn't always present the images and writing very well. And since they made these to be used in sewing and creating things for around the house, that would have been a possible turn off for the ladies using them in their sewing projects, and thus causing the manufacturers to not use the dark red material that much.