Which Player Do You Want?

[ALBB]

A

[Jim65]

Not enough info there to make a fair judgement.

Need more info, the runs and RBIs certainly favor player A but that could be a product of the players around him. Are players from the same era? Do they play different positions? Did they play in similar or different ballparks? Player B walked more, was that because he was often pitched around?

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Jim65

Not enough info there to make a fair judgement.

Need more info, the runs and RBIs certainly favor player A but that could be a product of the players around him. Are players from the same era? Do they play different positions? Did they play in similar or different ballparks? Player B walked more, was that because he was often pitched around?

+1 Agree

It is an interesting and a good exercise but I agree need more information to truly say
If I had to pick om the limited info I would pick player A

[oldjudge]

They both played the same position in the outfield.

[AndrewJerome]

More info:

Player A. B.
SLG. .579 .557
OPS .977 .977
OPS+ 155 172

Wild that they have same exact OPS. Peak will favor B, but that is a different exercise.

[Rad_Hazard]

I know who they are and this is a very fun exercise!

The answer is player A and I would not have expected that, but I also don't know as much about that era as I do the 19th century.

[Fred]

How can anybody make a decision on this if the WAR rating is not provided?


Player A = 74.5
Player B = 110.2

I like A, but B was pretty darned good.

[robertsmithnocure]

Originally Posted by AndrewJerome

More info:

Player A. B.
SLG. .579 .557
OPS .977 .977
OPS+ 155 172

Wild that they have same exact OPS. Peak will favor B, but that is a different exercise.

I would take B with the higher OPS+.

[butchie_t]

Neither one, I cannot afford their salaries. ;-)

[rats60]

Originally Posted by AndrewJerome

More info:

Player A. B.
SLG. .579 .557
OPS .977 .977
OPS+ 155 172

Wild that they have same exact OPS. Peak will favor B, but that is a different exercise.

I would take DiMaggio's bat over Mantle's. That is without DiMaggio being a much better defensive fielder. He is everything you want in a middle of the lineup hitter, a guy who hits for a high average, .325, with power, a top 10 slugging percentage. This playing in Yankee Stadium which hurt righties power numbers. You also can add only 34 strikeouts to Mantle's 115.

This is the perfect example that exposes the flaws of OPS+ and WAR. These are only one person's opinion, they are not real stats, which I often disagree with.

[cgjackson222]

I think it's hard to make the case that DiMaggio was a better hitter than Mantle. Mantle was just much more dominant.
His black ink score is 62 to DiMaggio's 34.

Mantle led the League in Runs 5x, HRs 4x, OBP 3x, Slugging 4x, OPS 6x.
DiMaggio led the AL in Runs 1x, HRs 2x, OBP 0x, Slugging 1x, OPS 0x.

Mantle won the triple crown.

DiMaggio had 30 Stolen Bases in his career. Mantle had 23 in one season and 5x as many in his career.

Pretty much the only things DiMaggio had on Mantle was Batting Average (led the League 2x vs. Mantle's 1x), he never struck out, and he stayed healthier.

The exercise of comparing their career stats per 162 games is misleading because Mantle's body broke down and his career stats were watered down by his final years. It is almost as misleading as comparing their counting stats, which Mantle dominates.

Now if DiMaggio played at Fenway or some other place that was friendlier to Right Handers, maybe things would be different. Or if DiMaggio didn't serve in the military. But those are IFs.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by rats60

I would take DiMaggio's bat over Mantle's. That is without DiMaggio being a much better defensive fielder. He is everything you want in a middle of the lineup hitter, a guy who hits for a high average, .325, with power, a top 10 slugging percentage. This playing in Yankee Stadium which hurt righties power numbers. You also can add only 34 strikeouts to Mantle's 115.



This is the perfect example that exposes the flaws of OPS+ and WAR. These are only one person's opinion, they are not real stats, which I often disagree with.

Some might say the opposite, that WAR and OPS+ expose the flaws in people's subjective opinions.

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[Keith H. Thompson]

because of the OBP

[skelly423]

Give me player B and his 2 extra HRs, higher Obp, and presumably, superstar recognition.

[bnorth]

A, was obviously playing on a much better team so I choose them.

[wagnerj03]

Player A, unless Player B was a pitcher.