Wanted: 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Premiums R314 Hank Greenberg Type 5 Only!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Zan

That actually isn't true. Type 5 cards do exist for some Detroit players, maybe all of them (not sure because I only pay attention to the Greenberg checklist). There is at least one board member who has a Greenberg.

Hmm, had not heard that before. I'll have to do some checking. Thank you if that is the case and I've been wrong. I've always gone off the old SCD catalogs and Bob Lemke descriptions, which were up published up until around 2017 I believe. So if there were any changes to what I previously remember, they must have been found/made in just the past few years.

Alright, did my checking. My understanding was that the Type 4 Goudey wide pen premiums were also of the exact same/similar cream colored stock as the Type 5 cards, also the exact same borders like the Type 5 cards, and likewise did not have the line "LITHO IN U.S.A." on them, just like they also were not on the Type 5 cards. In fact, from what I'm seeing, the only difference between the Type 4 and Type 5 Goudey wide pen premium cards was that the Type 4 cards were all of major league ballplayers, including Greenberg and other Detroit players, along with many other MLB players from other teams as well, and all the Type 5 cards were just the Toronto and Montreal players from the International League. It was thought by many that BOTH the Type 4 and Type 5 sets may well have been a single Canadian issue then, but the people responsible for listing them, like Bob Lemke and the SCD catalogs, separated them into Type 4 and Type 5 cards and checklists based solely on whether they were in the major or minor leagues. And for the record, I have over half the Type 4 set myself, including a Greenberg portrait, along with a single Type 5 card of Henry Erickson, as part of my own type card collection. But by having an example of both Types 4 and 5, I can personally verify that both Types have all the exact same previously described attributes, so the only real seeming difference between the two Types is as Bob Lemke/the SCD catalogs put it, whether they were on the majors or the minors. And in 1937, Hank Greenberg was most definitely NOT in the minors.

So, where did you find your definitive proof from that there is a Type 5 Goudey wide pen premium of Greenberg, and other Detroit players, out there, and what is this proof? If there is a second/different pose/version other than a Greenberg portrait wide pen Goudey premium on creamy colored stock, with a border, but no "LITHO IN U.S.A." line, then I believe what you have is just a recently discovered, second Type 4 Greenberg pose, not a Type 5 card. I would assume that a large majority of experienced collectors would fall in line and agree with a Bob Lemke/SCD catalog definition of what comprises a Type 4 or Type 5 Goudey wide pen premium over pretty much anyone else who had/has a different thinking or opinion. Looking forward to hearing what you have as contrary info/proof. Thanks.