Questions Regarding "Skinned" OJs / N172

[scotgreb]

Thanks Fred -- I'm definitely expecting an "A" but I can't recall ever seeing a graded skinned OJ -- though I've never really looked.

It's a nice image of Bobby Mathews -- been on my want list for years.

Mathews OJ.jpg

[pete zouras]

Good luck getting an answer from them one way or another on whether they'd grade. Their answer to such questions has been send it in and we'll let you know most of the time. They should have an upfront policy on that.

[Fred]

Scott,

That's a nice Mathews (skinned or not). He's one of those non-HOFers I'd send in for encapsulation if I were still submitting cards for grading.

I believe I have a skinned card encapsulated with the "A" grade.

[ValKehl]

I just now sent this email question to Brent Martin, SGC Collector Support rep: "Regarding skinned N172 Old Judge cards, am I correct in believing that SGC continues to grade such cards as "Authentic" and slab them?" His immediate response is: "Regarding the skinned Old Judge cards would most likely receive an A for the alteration." One of my pet peeves is hedged responses, but it is what it is.

[Rad_Hazard]

I would assume it would grade an A via SGC.

Great looking Mathews! I had to use some self control to keep from picking that one up myself. Great image!

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

I just now sent this email question to Brent Martin, SGC Collector Support Rep: "Regarding skinned N172 Old Judge cards, am I correct in believing that SGC continues to grade such cards as "Authentic" and slab them?" His immediate response is: "Regarding the skinned Old Judge cards would most likely receive an A for the alteration." One of my pet peeves is hedged responses, but it is what it is.

At the Chantilly Show on Saturday, I asked Customer Service Rep Tyler Eve this same question. His non-committal response was that it would be up to the grader's determination. I suggested to Tyler that SGC should put something definitive re this on its website.

[scotgreb]

If you want something done right . . . do it yourself

I decided to start my own grading company -- JMO (Just My Opinion)

Mathews, Bobby 1888 N172 JMO Authentic.jpg

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by scotgreb

Thanks Fred -- I'm definitely expecting an "A" but I can't recall ever seeing a graded skinned OJ -- though I've never really looked.

It's a nice image of Bobby Mathews -- been on my want list for years.

There are skinned SGC graded OJs out there. Their old slabs even used to indicate "Skinned" although I'm not sure if the new ones do.

IMO the only reason they might not slab it (other than authenticity) is if they deem it too thin/fraglie.

[Fred]

I go through ebay to check out the OJs and I'm finding SGC doesn't do a great job with knowing what to look for in OJs. I've seen at least 3 OJs with the bottom ad part trimmed off that were assigned numerical grades in the NEW SGC holders. Here's the most recent one I found:

Darling 117-5 SGC trimmed.jpg

Go TPGs! Aint nothing like grading/slabbing stuff that you don't understand.

[scotgreb]

A quick update on the Mathews . . .

Just returned from SGC ungraded. No real explanation other than "Cannot / Do Not Grade" noted on the flip.

Will probably give try PSA a try.

Scott

[Fred]

Did you send a note with the card indicating you realize it is skinned and that the goal was to have the card encapsulated (with an "A" grade) to protect the card for future generations to enjoy?

[scotgreb]

Originally Posted by Fred

Did you send a note with the card indicating you realize it is skinned and that the goal was to have the card encapsulated (with an "A" grade) to protect the card for future generations to enjoy?

I did not refer to the skinned aspect but did request to holder as Authentic if deemed altered. I also submitted the card while still in the authentic holder from ebay processing.

Scott

[BobbyStrawberry]

I wonder if CSG would slab it. I don't think I've ever seen an OJ in one their slabs.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by Fred

I've seen at least 3 OJs with the bottom ad part trimmed off that were assigned numerical grades in the NEW SGC holders.

Picked up one recently. I've not seen many Wilmot (Chicago) variations out in the wild, and the price was right.

I do wonder what the justification is for not taking into account the cut on them, though.

I also don't really understand why this is a 1889 N172 unless they just throw that label on all the pink/colored/etc ones that popped up mostly in 1889-1890 or for all the "changed teams" versions. Unless this one was produced in the last 5 weeks of 1889, this was a 1890 card.

[Fred]

I've seen several cards graded with a bit of the bottom trimmed off in the lettering. I can only assume they take that into account when assigning the overall grade.

The Wilmot card in the post isn't that bad. It's always nice to find an NL card. The card shown in post #10 is completely void of the bottom portion of the card.

[jingram058]

My Chris Von Der Ahe is skinned with what looks like either an advertisement or perhaps a piece of something like wallpaper. I love it! And of course, would never dream of having it graded.