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He's not going to get into the HOF on his offensive stats, so he was not a better offensive player than Rolen and it doesn't seem like he was seen as the defender Rolen was either. |
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How was Rolen "compiling"? Aside from his rookie season, a lost season in 2005, and his final two seasons in the majors, he never played less than 100 games. To be a compiled you have to hang around to hit milestones that were out of reach during your natural career. Rolen didn't do that. There is no 300 homer milestone. It's just what happened.
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Of course, if Wright had played another 450 games like Rolen did, it's possible (likely?) that as he aged, his above stats would have decreased as he declined with age. Since he had injuries that caused him to retire by age 33 (except for 2 games at age 35), his rate stats aren't hurt as much by that even though his total numbers (I guess what you would call compiler stats) are. Rolen also had injuries but played until 37 with a number of his later years pulling down his overall rate stats. When they played, both were considered to be potential future HoFers. Unfortunately for Wright (like Mattingly and many others), injuries shortened his career to the point where many people don't think he was around long enough and had a high enough peak (like Koufax) to deserver to be a HoFer now. We'll see next year what the BBWAA voters think. |
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Last edited by tod41; 01-25-2023 at 01:30 PM. |
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Neither Wright nor Rolen were going to get in on bat alone. Rolen is in due to a combination of bat and glove that Wright didn't have.
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Here are some excerpts from an article written about Rolen and his HOF chances when he first became eligible, with which I agree although some of it I did not know (such as his ROY award)
https://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/20...ing-malcontent Quote:
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Now watch what you say, or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal Won't you sign up your name? We'd like to feel you're acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.- Ulysses S. Grant, 18th US President. |
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I don't understand that assessment. Who was better than him on the Phillies? Bobby Abreu? By the time he goes to Cardinals he's on the same team as Albert Pujols, so I don't really see the heft of that assessment either.
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Lou Gehrig was rarely the best player on his team.....so there's that.
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Depending on the year, he was outperformed by Abreu and Lieberthal on the Phils, and approached by the likes of Rico Brogna. On the Cardinals, leaving out Pujols, he was still less impactful than Jim Edmunds in all but one year.
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Now watch what you say, or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal Won't you sign up your name? We'd like to feel you're acceptable, respectable, presentable, a vegetable If we are to have another contest in the near future of our national existence, I predict that the dividing line will not be Mason and Dixon's but between patriotism and intelligence on the one side, and superstition, ambition and ignorance on the other.- Ulysses S. Grant, 18th US President. Last edited by nolemmings; 01-25-2023 at 02:45 PM. |
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Rico Brogna never once had an OPS+ that was even league when he was a Phillie. What year was Brogna approaching Rolen?
OPS+ for every year they played on the Phillies: 1997: Rolen: 121 (ROY winner) Brogna: 88 1998: Rolen: 139 Brogna: 97 1999: Rolen: 120 Brogna: 95 2000: Rolen: 129 Brogna: 69 (Dumped part way into the year because he sucked) Career WAR Mike Schmidt: 106.8 Scott Rolen: 70.1 George Kell: 37.6 Rico Brogna: -1.1 I'm not sure that I could make up a hotter take than the absurdities people are posting in this thread. The disconnect between narrative and the numbers is just astonishing for some of these. These are dry jokes, right? We're not just completely making crap up, right? Last edited by G1911; 01-25-2023 at 04:13 PM. |
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At least Lieberthal was a meritous starter lol. The Brogna take is the silliest claim I’ve read since I heard George Kell is significantly better than Mike Schmidt. Abreu was a greatly underrated star in the Minoso category, very very good at many things but not great enough at any one to get acclaim. I don’t think I’d vote him in, but he’s not far away. I guess we better tell Lou Gehrig to take a hike for not being the best on his team… |
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