PSA Stain Fail Rate: 75%

[Houseofd]

Jolly Elm,

Lots of good work, but I’ve been studying those 1969 Topps Rose cards and I think they are two different cards.
Several subtle differences, but can’t get past how much more damage the bottom left corner of the PSA 7 ST appears to show in the picture vs. the PSA 7. Also, the bottom border on the PSA 7 ST looks slightly larger than it’s counterpart. More differences within the thin inside white borders of each card, especially in top right corner.
With those soft corners, not sure how the ‘ST’ Rose card ever got a PSA 7.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Houseofd

Jolly Elm,

Lots of good work, but I’ve been studying those 1969 Topps Rose cards and I think they are two different cards.
Several subtle differences, but can’t get past how much more damage the bottom left corner of the PSA 7 ST appears to show in the picture vs. the PSA 7. Also, the bottom border on the PSA 7 ST looks slightly larger than it’s counterpart. More differences within the thin inside white borders of each card, especially in top right corner.
With those soft corners, not sure how the ‘ST’ Rose card ever got a PSA 7.

Holy mother of frickin' crap...YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me thank you as I eat a huge bowl of crow. The most obvious giveaway is the white halo on Pete's hat on the one card. It was right there in front of me the whole time. Mothers, do not let your children drink and post. PWI is serious.

For the life of me I can't figure it out. I assumed it was a crack and resubmit, but when I just dug through my boxes, I located the PSA 7 ST card. It's still here!! Thought I only had one '69 Rose, besides a PSA 9 OC I picked up, but I was wrong. Ugh. Embarrassing. Time to revise the OP.

On an odd note, though, it means the PSA Stain Fail Rate is now 75% (3/4), which means only the Bench was 'correctly' graded.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Holy mother of frickin' crap...YOU ARE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let me thank you as I eat a huge bowl of crow. The most obvious giveaway is the white halo on Pete's hat on the one card. It was right there in front of me the whole time. Mothers, do not let your children drink and post. PWI is serious.

For the life of me I can't figure it out. I assumed it was a crack and resubmit, but when I just dug through my boxes, I located the PSA 7 ST card. It's still here!! Thought I only had one '69 Rose, besides a PSA 9 OC I picked up, but I was wrong. Ugh. Embarrassing. Time to revise the OP.

On an odd note, though, it means the PSA Stain Fail Rate is now 75% (3/4), which means only the Bench was 'correctly' graded.

or maybe none are graded correctly. Your correctly is that they got the same grade as before without the beyond silly qualifier they use. What is the realistic chance they actually got it correct the first time?

[BobC]

Originally Posted by bnorth

or maybe none are graded correctly. Your correctly is that they got the same grade as before without the beyond silly qualifier they use. What is the realistic chance they actually got it correct the first time?

Or is it possible that the residue removal wasn't as perfect as hoped and with better scanning/technology, even though we can't really see it with the human eye, their equipment/techniques still detected some lingering residue or other new surface issues now caused by the removal process, with the result being the cards with lowered grades are actually now properly graded, just without the former qualifier?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Or is it possible that the residue removal wasn't as perfect as hoped and with better scanning/technology, even though we can't really see it with the human eye, their equipment/techniques still detected some lingering residue or other new surface issues now caused by the removal process, with the result being the cards with lowered grades are actually now properly graded, just without the former qualifier?

Maybe we could all chip in a few bucks to crack and resubmit these cards a few times from different submitters with other cards. Then we could see how many times the grade comes back the same for each card. It is a fun eye opener that used to be cheap to do.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Maybe we could all chip in a few bucks to crack and resubmit these cards a few times from different submitters with other cards. Then we could see how many times the grade comes back the same for each card. It is a fun eye opener that used to be cheap to do.

Just have to be willing to wait 4 months to get them back!