No name T206 Frill - share your thoughts

[brianp-beme]

I am pretty sure this T206 Sweet Caporal of Frill in my collection was bleached at some point, causing the blinding white borders, loss of detail on the uniform, the lack of name at the bottom (though if you strain your eyes, a partial imprint can be seen, especially the 'FR' directly under his hand, and the 'ER' of 'AMER'), as well as the fading on the back. In my opinion the scan of the back makes the printing seem bolder than its actual faded condition to the naked eye.

My question is...would the blue and green in the background still maintain such deeper hues after bleaching? The surface in those areas seems to have some glossiness intact, while the white areas feel rough to the touch (advantage raw cards that provide touchy-feely options). Did the bleachist just work the white areas on the card? But the back is evenly faded, as if it was floated in pool of bleachy water. Or does bleach affect printed colors differently? What say ye?

An image of a beat up Frill with normal coloration has been added for comparison.

Brian

[bnorth]

That is weird looking. From just a picture I would have guessed a horribly altered reprint/counterfeit of some kind.

[jingram058]

It would be very difficult to just bleach the borders. That would spread no matter how carefully it was done. Perhaps it was soaked in some mild solution other than bleach?

[Pat R]

I don't know what they used on it but it's strange what it did to different parts of the card. You can see the FR in FRILL and the AMER at the end, it also removed a large portion some of the color on his uniform.

Looking at it closer it looks like some kind of white coloring was added to it.

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[philliesfan]

To me......and I am no expert, but it looks like some type of chemical bath.
Bob

[Eric72]

Perhaps it was an attempt by someone to create a fake "T206 Printing Error." Not suggesting the OP did this, of course. However, it doesn't look like anything that would occur naturally with the T206 printing process.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by philliesfan

To me......and I am no expert, but it looks like some type of chemical bath.
Bob

Originally Posted by Eric72

Perhaps it was an attempt by someone to create a fake "T206 Printing Error." Not suggesting the OP did this, of course. However, it doesn't look like anything that would occur naturally with the T206 printing process.

I'm pretty sure after enlarging Brian's scan that it wasn't a chemical bath or that it had anything to do with the printing. Without having it in hand it's hard to say but it looks like something was added to the card not taken away. You can see in a number of places where it looks like whatever it is it's on top of the regular printing I pointed out a few and if it was my card I would see if I could get one of the two upper pieces off.

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[bbcard1]

It's a no Frills addition to your collection.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Perhaps it was an attempt by someone to create a fake "T206 Printing Error." Not suggesting the OP did this, of course. However, it doesn't look like anything that would occur naturally with the T206 printing process.

I know the OP fairly well, and I highly doubt he would commit such a dastardly act.

Actually, I received this particular card in a lot about 8-10 years ago that contained some other altered (trimmed) cards, so it has always been on my suspect list. I always thought that the card had been manipulated with (or womanipulated, or to be completely neutral...personipulated), in one fashion or other, but it also confused me exactly what had occurred to it.

I will look at it closer for what Pat mentions on his posts to see if I can provide a little more input.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

It's a no Frills addition to your collection.

It ain't no frilly thing, that's for sure.

Brian (you beat me to it)

[brianp-beme]

After looking at it under some magnification and at angles, with a little more touchy feely action, those extra white areas seem to be missing the top layer of paper, almost as if having been scraped away. The fact that these areas are so white still make me think the card was subject to some sort of whitening bath, something that did not adversely affect the background coloration.

And like I mentioned previously, the back is much less bold than what my scan seems to have made it, leading me to believe the card was at one time used as a floatation device.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

One further note...that white spot in the background left of Frill's neck, for example, also appears to be missing paper.

Brian

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

After looking at it under some magnification and at angles, with a little more touchy feely action, those extra white areas seem to be missing the top layer of paper, almost as if having been scraped away. The fact that these areas are so white still make me think the card was subject to some sort of whitening bath, something that did not adversely affect the background coloration.

And like I mentioned previously, the back is much less bold than what my scan seems to have made it, leading me to believe the card was at one time used as a floatation device.

Brian

Even here along the border Brian? It looks like maybe some of the pieces that "flaked off are stuck in this area.

You might be right about some kind of chemical that it was soaked in that caused some areas to "flake" off I've seen T206's that were "flaking" that if you wanted to you could probably remove most of the image.

What does caption area look like because as you said there are areas where you can see faint letters.

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[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

It ain't no frilly thing, that's for sure.

Let me ask you a question: How do you feel about frilly toothpicks?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyFvGL3Z5F8

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by BillyCox3

Let me ask you a question: How do you feel about frilly toothpicks?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyFvGL3Z5F8

I am afraid to watch that youtube video, as it might cause me to pick up less desirable habits.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by Pat R

Even here along the border Brian? It looks like maybe some of the pieces that "flaked off are stuck in this area.

You might be right about some kind of chemical that it was soaked in that caused some areas to "flake" off I've seen T206's that were "flaking" that if you wanted to you could probably remove most of the image.

What does caption area look like because as you said there are areas where you can see faint letters.

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Hi Pat, looking at the bottom border and the bottom right border, those areas also have a somewhat rough and scuffed up appearance. I did have a member PM me that they not only believe that the card was involved in some sort of chemical bath, but that perhaps a cotton swab or something similar was was used to clean the white areas while still wet, and thus perhaps scraping away surface layers.

To me this seem like a very likely scenario.

Brian

[jingram058]

I find myself in agreement with the diagnosis, also it's good that you know the OP well...

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I find myself in agreement with the diagnosis, also it's good that you know the OP well...

I know him just well enough to understand that he does not suffer from a split personality disorder.

Brian

[jcmtiger]

Nice wide borders on that card.

[steve B]

If I remember correctly, silverfish will eat paper often skimming off the surface.

That seems possible here.

[brianp-beme]

Originally Posted by steve B

If I remember correctly, silverfish will eat paper often skimming off the surface.

That seems possible here.

Interesting possibility. Would they just concentrate on the white areas? Anyone on here a silverfish expert? Or perhaps have a close friend who is a silverfish that they can inquire about this?

Brian (sadly, I am not on speaking terms with silverfish, and have been banned from many silverfish events)