Jacob deGrom most Ks in first 200 games

[1952boyntoncollector]

Wins do seem to go to pitchers who can pitch into the 7th inning more than just the 5th....may not apply to Degrom but you cant just say a pitcher has no control of their wins......there are a few things they can do... a few years ago they could hit and bunt as well instead of just K every time.

also a factor to consider is home starts versus the road.

road pitcher Starts, the pitcher always has the advantage for a Win because his lineup gets 3 more outs to get a a win versus the home pitcher as long as he completes the inning...if visting pitches 6 innings, his team gets 7 innings of at bats, while the home pitcher if pitches 6 innings only gets 6 offensive innings for his team to bat. I never thought that was fair statistically but amazing when you see these long home winning streaks....yeah home teams win more than away teams but i would gather getting the W is much more equal..

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Wins do seem to go to pitchers who can pitch into the 7th inning more than just the 5th....may not apply to Degrom but you cant just say a pitcher has no control of their wins......there are a few things they can do... a few years ago they could hit and bunt as well instead of just K every time.

also a factor to consider is home starts versus the road.

road pitcher Starts, the pitcher always has the advantage for a Win because his lineup gets 3 more outs to get a a win versus the home pitcher as long as he completes the inning...if visting pitches 6 innings, his team gets 7 innings of at bats, while the home pitcher if pitches 6 innings only gets 6 offensive innings for his team to bat. I never thought that was fair statistically but amazing when you see these long home winning streaks....yeah home teams win more than away teams but i would gather getting the W is much more equal..

[cgjackson222]

yeah, this a real headscratcher. A pitcher on the road, if pulled after his 6th inning, has pitched 18 outs and his team has batted 18 outs before the next pitcher enters the game. Not sure how this is an advantage, or as you said

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

his team gets 7 innings of at bats..

[G1911]

That makes no sense.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I think for this one Jake was channeling Peter Chao.

[Mike D.]

Of note...the guy who has the record for "most career wins" ALSO has the record for "most career losses", and the guy with the 2nd most wins is #4 in losses.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

yeah, this a real headscratcher. A pitcher on the road, if pulled after his 6th inning, has pitched 18 outs and his team has batted 18 outs before the next pitcher enters the game. Not sure how this is an advantage, or as you said

easy the visiting pitcher pitches 6 innings and his batters gets 7 innings to give him the lead.

the home pitcher pitches 6 innings and his batters get SIX innings to give him the lead.

So one pitcher's team gets 7 offensive innings to give him the win, the other one gets 6 innings for his team to give him a win

So no advantage i guess.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

easy the visiting pitcher pitches 6 innings and his batters gets 7 innings to give him the lead.

the home pitcher pitches 6 innings and his batters get SIX innings to give him the lead.

So one pitcher's team gets 7 offensive innings to give him the win, the other one gets 6 innings for his team to give him a win

So no advantage i guess.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Here you go: In this example both pitchers pitch 5 innings. both pitchers pulled after 5 innings.... The visiting pitcher can still get the win if his team scores in the 6th The home pitcher does not get the win if his team scores in the bottom of the 6th. Both only pitched 5 innings, yet one pitcher's team has SIX chances to give him the lead the other one FIVE chances.....(hence the argument about easier to get a 'WIN' when on the road)

This was found on the web for definition of a win


1. He pitches at least 5 innings (*). (This is why often when pitchers start to struggle in the 5th, their managers are reluctant to pull them if they are winning and try to squeeze another out or two out of them. Managerial decisions should never be based on impact to a player’s stats, but I’ll rant about that later – probably moreso in relation to the save rule).

2. His team assumes the lead while he is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which he is removed from the game. (e.g., he pitches 6 innings with the score tied, and his team scores in the top of the 7th, and a new pitcher comes in for the bottom of the 7th).

3. His team never relinquishes the lead.

4. And finally, his team wins the game. (Well, you knew that already)


If you pitch 5 innings on the road and you dont pitch the bottom of the 6th but your team takes the lead in top of the 6th, if that does not qualify you for a WIN then i stand corrected..otherwise continue on with not understanding

[cgjackson222]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Here you go: In this example both pitchers pitch 5 innings. both pitchers pulled after 5 innings.... The visiting pitcher can still get the win if his team scores in the 6th The home pitcher does not get the win if his team scores in the bottom of the 6th. Both only pitched 5 innings, yet one pitcher's team has SIX chances to give him the lead the other one FIVE chances.....(hence the argument about easier to get a 'WIN' when on the road)

This was found on the web for definition of a win


1. He pitches at least 5 innings (*). (This is why often when pitchers start to struggle in the 5th, their managers are reluctant to pull them if they are winning and try to squeeze another out or two out of them. Managerial decisions should never be based on impact to a player’s stats, but I’ll rant about that later – probably moreso in relation to the save rule).

2. His team assumes the lead while he is in the game, or during the inning on offense in which he is removed from the game. (e.g., he pitches 6 innings with the score tied, and his team scores in the top of the 7th, and a new pitcher comes in for the bottom of the 7th).

3. His team never relinquishes the lead.

4. And finally, his team wins the game. (Well, you knew that already)


If you pitch 5 innings on the road and you dont pitch the bottom of the 6th but your team takes the lead in top of the 6th, if that does not qualify you for a WIN then i stand corrected..otherwise continue on with not understanding

So think 1952boyntoncollector is actually correct (sorry I doubted you).

According baseballreference: "A pitcher receives credit for all the runs that his team scores in a half inning in which he is replaced by a pinch hitter or pinch runner. Since no new pitcher has been put into the game, the most recent pitcher receives the credit."

I think something like this actually happened last night where Cleveland, the road team scored in top of the 10th to take the lead 4-3. Cleveland's De Los Santos was the pitcher in the 9th inning, and gave up 2 runs to make the score 3-3 going into the 10th. Cleveland scored in the top of the 10th and Detroit did not score. So De Los Santos got a blow save AND the win.

Shows how ridiculous wins can be for a reliever.

I know that De Los Santos didn't start the game, but the same principle of "pitcher of record" applies, I believe.

EDIT: Whoops, looks like last night's game wasn't the best example after all, as De Los Santos didn't give up any runs. But he still did get a win for a run that occured in an inning after he pitched.