Mike Trout's injury is starting to seem serious

KCRfan1 · #1 07-30-2022, 12:06 PM

Bob, that's a great question.

Trout's health going forward and retirement.

I may be in the minority, however I say retire now.

It could be the difference of him being able to walk in 10 years or confined to a wheelchair. Not mention the possibility of being on pain killers the rest of your life.

Better put health first. Those of us who have dealt with serious health issues know that's truth.

BobC · #2 07-30-2022, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by KCRfan1

Bob, that's a great question.

Trout's health going forward and retirement.

I may be in the minority, however I say retire now.

It could be the difference of him being able to walk in 10 years or confined to a wheelchair. Not mention the possibility of being on pain killers the rest of your life.

Better put health first. Those of us who have dealt with serious health issues know that's truth.

I'm wondering the same thing as well. As many have opined so far, his career up to now they feel is already HOF worthy. But how quickly can that perception possibly change in some people's minds if he continues playing multiple years at a much reduced production level?

One would think that health would be a primary concern, as you mentioned, and possibly eclipse monetary concerns. But you can never tell for certain how a person's ego and self-esteem may fit in. Trout always appeared to me as someone of great confidence in himself and very well centered, and not worried about impressing others and having to have them look up to and adore him. One would also think/hope that he's made enough in his career so far that he wouldn't need to continue playing just to draw a paycheck, and should be set for life by now. But who knows for sure what may drive Trout going forward if he is suddenly faced with career threatening/ending decisions at such a still relatively early age.

Depending on what his doctors can determine, and their prognosis for his future playing ability as well as his personal health situation, I can easily see, and even agree with your thinking, that retirement might be a smart option for him. Depends a lot on what his prognosis is and what the doctors say.

frankbmd · #3 07-30-2022, 01:27 PM

I'll tell Mike to check out this thread for our expert's advice and opinions before making any decisions.

BobC · #4 07-30-2022, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'll tell Mike to check out this thread for our expert's advice and opinions before making any decisions.

So Frank, given your background and experience, what do you think?

mrreality68 · #5 07-30-2022, 01:43 PM

I think the way they are talking with load management he will play a lot less games than if healthy (but has not been fully healthy regularly in 3 years) but he at least for first few years will probably (just guess) play at a high level and as a result his Stats will be fine but to me
1. How will it impact his team and season if he keeps playing 60 to 70% of games?
2. How will that effect his team run(or lack of run to the playoffs).
3. The impact on his team getting and retaining great players (if his team is perceived as not a real contender year in and year out while spending a lot of money)
4. Obviously how it effects his status as a legend of the game and where he ranks
5. Or worse he starts a slow steady define in his play and he greatness takes a hit if he is not playing up to his standard year in and year out and his average drops, his production drops, etc

Touch'EmAll · #6 07-30-2022, 01:52 PM

Kinda surprised I haven't heard rumors of Trout going strictly DH. If he could get 120+ games/year at DH it could enable him to play a lot more years while still possibly accumulating some historic milestone numbers. I wonder if his back injury is more a limiting factor hitting vs. regular outfield play ?

frankbmd · #7 07-30-2022, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd

I'll tell Mike to check out this thread for our expert's advice and opinions before making any decisions.

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Originally Posted by BobC

So Frank, given your background and experience, what do you think?

Hey Bob, you deserve a response. I would be wary of taking advice from a retired surgeon whose specialty was oncologic surgery for a patient he has never seen and whose records and images he has not reviewed or nor has access to.

There may be forum members better qualified than I, but there are quite a few who are not. Not casting stones, just sayin'.

As an aside I did train with an orthopedic surgeon, Lewis Yocum, who became the Angels team physician for a number of years and was instrumental in developing Tommy John surgery with Dr. Jobe, who gets more credit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/s...ies-at-65.html.

nat · #8 07-30-2022, 02:59 PM

"the biggest to punish the 19th century pitchers because without it, it turns out a pitcher who throws 500 innings and leads the league in ERA produces more value to their team than a pitcher that grows 220 innings and leads the league in ERA, which is not what people wanted to see"

The highest WAR seasons are almost all 19th century pitchers. Here's the list (bWAR, not Fangraph's stat):

1883 Tim Keefe
1884 Old Hoss Radbourn
1884 Pud Galvin
1876 Jim Devlin
1884 Guy Hecker
1913 Walter Johnson
1884 Charlie Buffington
1889 John Clarkson
1888 Silver King
1887 John Clarkson

Peter_Spaeth · #9 07-30-2022, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by frankbmd

Hey Bob, you deserve a response. I would be wary of taking advice from a retired surgeon whose specialty was oncologic surgery for a patient he has never seen and whose records and images he has not reviewed or nor has access to.

There may be forum members better qualified than I, but there are quite a few who are not. Not casting stones, just sayin'.

As an aside I did train with an orthopedic surgeon, Lewis Yocum, who became the Angels team physician for a number of years and was instrumental in developing Tommy John surgery with Dr. Jobe, who gets more credit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/s...ies-at-65.html.

Come on man, lack of knowledge never stopped anyone here before from pontificating on a subject. See numerous discussions of legal issues for example.

KCRfan1 · #10 07-30-2022, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Hey Bob, you deserve a response. I would be wary of taking advice from a retired surgeon whose specialty was oncologic surgery for a patient he has never seen and whose records and images he has not reviewed or nor has access to.

There may be forum members better qualified than I, but there are quite a few who are not. Not casting stones, just sayin'.

As an aside I did train with an orthopedic surgeon, Lewis Yocum, who became the Angels team physician for a number of years and was instrumental in developing Tommy John surgery with Dr. Jobe, who gets more credit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/s...ies-at-65.html.

Dr. Frank,

Thank you to you and any other docs out there and on the forum.

In August of 2015 I dealt with a stage 4 lymphoma, Diffuse Large B Cell.

I should have died at least 3 or 4 times during those remaining months in 2015, yet here I am.

I had a great kid at the time take care of me at KU Med. He's early 30's now.

Kept me alive and he is the ONLY Oncology doc I see for follow up, even though he is in Hays KS now, instead of Kansas City. I will drive to see him. I used to fly from OC in CA, but recently moved back to Olathe.

Anyways, Thank you Frank for the help and hope you gave to patients who benefited from your care and expertise.

Lou

BobC · #11 07-30-2022, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Hey Bob, you deserve a response. I would be wary of taking advice from a retired surgeon whose specialty was oncologic surgery for a patient he has never seen and whose records and images he has not reviewed or nor has access to.

There may be forum members better qualified than I, but there are quite a few who are not. Not casting stones, just sayin'.

As an aside I did train with an orthopedic surgeon, Lewis Yocum, who became the Angels team physician for a number of years and was instrumental in developing Tommy John surgery with Dr. Jobe, who gets more credit.

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/s...ies-at-65.html.

LOL

I hear you Frank. But first off, nobody was saying they were any kind of expert, nor trying to tell Mike Trout what to do either, which is what you kind of alluded to when you said you'd pass this thread along to him. I know I would never tell someone like him what to do, just speculating on how what he does decide may be perceived by fans and how it could be viewed in regard to and ultimately affect his legacy as a player and his HOF status.

My original question to you was solely in regard to that question, the one I asked about his possibly continuing to play if his level of play is considerably diminished going forward. And I was asking you to respond in regard to your background and experience as a baseball fan and collector, which I would naturally believe most everyone posting on this forum is to some extent. I was not implying nor asking for any kind of medical opinion. If that is what you were thinking, you just went down the wrong rabbit hole.

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