Total number of graded 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 Cards

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

1204 graded by PSA
607 graded by SGC
All #144

I think he might have meant how many of those are duplicate + gradings..
1 card graded multiple times.
.

[HistoricNewspapers]

With four Ruth's in the 1933 Goudey set and three Ruth's in the 1922 Caramel set, I wonder what the total population comparison is between getting a 1933 Goudey Ruth or a 1922 Caramel Ruth?

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by HistoricNewspapers

With four Ruth's in the 1933 Goudey set and three Ruth's in the 1922 Caramel set, I wonder what the total population comparison is between getting a 1933 Goudey Ruth or a 1922 Caramel Ruth?

Without even looking at the pop reports I would imagine the most common of all E121 Ruth poses would be 10-20x tougher to find than any 1933 Goudey Ruth.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Leon

I think he might have meant how many of those are duplicate + gradings..
1 card graded multiple times.
.

Ah, that would be a good stat to know, and wouldn't be hard for Tpgs to build another category for crossover reporting.

[jingram058]

Here's one that's raw, and will remain so. It will also remain in my safe deposit box.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Here's one that's raw, and will remain so. It will also remain in my safe deposit box.

It will also remain high on one of the most respected scales in Sports cards History... "The Ingram Scale". Deservedly so.

[Rhotchkiss]

My math may be off a tad (did this on my phone)

1922 E120 Ruth: 81 total - 50 PSA, 31 SGC
1922 E121 Ruth Holding Ball: 82 total - 51 PSA, 31 SGC
1922 E122 Ruth: 18 total - 10 PSA, 8 SGC

1921 E121 Ruth (series of 80 all variations): 129 Total- 82 PSA, SGC 49
1921 E220 Ruth: 42 total - 20 PSA, 22 SGC
1921 E253 Ruth Oxford Confectionery: 55 Total - 31 PSA, SGC 24
1921 Exhibits Ruth: 204 Total - 112 PSA, SGC 92

All combined - 611 Total

#144 1933 Goudey Ruth: 2,154 Total-1549 PSA, 607 PSA

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

My math may be off a tad (did this on my phone)

1922 E120 Ruth: 81 total - 50 PSA, 31 SGC
1922 E121 Ruth Holding Ball: 82 total - 51 PSA, 31 SGC
1922 E122 Ruth: 18 total - 10 PSA, 8 SGC

1921 E121 Ruth (series of 80 all variations): 129 Total- 82 PSA, SGC 49
1921 E220 Ruth: 42 total - 20 PSA, 22 SGC
1921 E253 Ruth Oxford Confectionery: 55 Total - 31 PSA, SGC 24
1921 Exhibits Ruth: 204 Total - 112 PSA, SGC 92

All combined - 611 Total

#144 1933 Goudey Ruth: 2,154 Total-1549 PSA, 607 PSA

Great Information and interesting comparisons and as we discussed from a previous thread the 1921/22 Series is a great series but the Goudey's have the demand that meets the supply. And always easily sellable and desirable. But the upside on the 1921/1922 is probably greater.

All Great Cards

[BobC]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Great Information and interesting comparisons and as we discussed from a previous thread the 1921/22 Series is a great series but the Goudey's have the demand that meets the supply. And always easily sellable and desirable. But the upside on the 1921/1922 is probably greater.

All Great Cards

How much of that demand for the '33 Goudeys does anyone reckon may still be at least partially due to the old concept that those Goudeys were considered as Ruth's rookie cards? I still remember seeing in some old Beckett price guides that they listed them as his first card issue in a nationally recognized and distributed set, and thus his true rookie card. Despite him already being in his 19th season playing in the majors, and all the different card issues he had been in before then. Used to laugh and roll my eyes whenever I would see that.

[rhettyeakley]

The American Caramel Co was one of the biggest candy manufacturers in the country in the early 1920’s. I have no idea where the idea that Goudey was his first Nationally distributed set came from. Also the M101-5/4 sets were literally for sale (with Sporting News or Blank backs) via mail order to anyone that wanted them.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

The American Caramel Co was one of the biggest candy manufacturers in the country in the early 1920’s. I have no idea where the idea that Goudey was his first Nationally distributed set came from. Also the M101-5/4 sets were literally for sale (with Sporting News or Blank backs) via mail order to anyone that wanted them.

Don't disagree at all. But as I said, I thought I remember it was Beckett that at one time characterized Ruth's Goudey card(s) as his rookie card(s). And if memory serves, I thought Beckett's definition of a rookie card had something to do with it being a player's first card issued as a major leaguer in a nationally recognized and distributed set. Here's an online quote I quickly found of Beckett's at least one-time definition for a rookie card.

Quote "Beckett’s official definition of the rookie card (“RC”) states that a “rookie card” must come from a fully-licensed, nationally distributed set that is primarily focused on current professional players. It must be a base card and cannot be an insert, parallel or redemption card, and players can only have one RC per set." Unquote

https://www.bing.com/search?q=becket...ANNTA1&PC=HCTS

And in fact, as I am typing this, I'm looking at an old April 2012 Beckett Baseball guide I still have, and in the price guide section showing the 1933 Goudey set, every one of the Ruth cards listed has the "RC" designation following the card number and his name. So at least through 2012, Beckett was still listing and claiming Ruth's 1933 Goudey cards were his rookie cards.

So I'll ask once again, how much of that demand for '33 Goudey cards of Ruth may be due to mistaken identification of them as his supposed rookie card(s)?

[HistoricNewspapers]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

My math may be off a tad (did this on my phone)

1922 E120 Ruth: 81 total - 50 PSA, 31 SGC
1922 E121 Ruth Holding Ball: 82 total - 51 PSA, 31 SGC
1922 E122 Ruth: 18 total - 10 PSA, 8 SGC

1921 E121 Ruth (series of 80 all variations): 129 Total- 82 PSA, SGC 49
1921 E220 Ruth: 42 total - 20 PSA, 22 SGC
1921 E253 Ruth Oxford Confectionery: 55 Total - 31 PSA, SGC 24
1921 Exhibits Ruth: 204 Total - 112 PSA, SGC 92

All combined - 611 Total

#144 1933 Goudey Ruth: 2,154 Total-1549 PSA, 607 PSA

Thank you for checking. Wow that is a stark difference.

[Yoda]

By way of comparison, I would like to know the TPG differential between the 1933 Goudey #144 Ruth, which was double printed, and the '33 WWG #80 counterpart, both, of course, having the same fronts. The Canadian version had less production than Goudey and was not very popular here, I suspect, for patriotic reasons. The backs are kinda cool in the bilingual version and fun to read about the Babe in French.
So as to make full disclosure (can't be too careful these days), I fully admit under oath that I hold a 1933 WWG #80 George Herman 'Babe' Ruth SGC4 baseball card.

[BabyRuth]

Triple threat

[ullmandds]

I would venture to guess that if you added all playing day Babe Ruth cards that are not Goudey the number would be less than the population of goudeys.