SGC grading is super fast.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right so why can you order $500 of food and other places and not pay until after you eat it and not even give a credit card up front...

People who work at fast food establishments aren't paid to watch people eat their food, wait on them, and work for tips.

I feel a little silly I even had to type that out.

[MikeGarcia]

,,,every thread needs labels from before Wazoo was born....


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[timn1]

Yep, that's probably the reason.

I came to this thread late - pretty surreal read. I especially like how the three-sided flame war went on and on and on while a few other people completely ignored it and tried to stick to the topic... A valiant effort. But the $500 credit card comment really put the nail in its coffin.

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

People who work at fast food establishments aren't paid to watch people eat their food, wait on them, and work for tips.

I feel a little silly I even had to type that out.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Why do SGC modern cards sell at such a steep discount to PSA, and please don't quarrel with the premise, it's undeniable? Their grading seems as accurate, the presentation is as nice, set registry is not an issue for the overwhelming majority of the cards I am seeing.

[55koufax]

To me, it definitely is the Set Registry that sets PSA apart. Particularly when you have somebody as high caliber as Cosetta Robbins running it. She has been a model of efficiency for her 20+ years in charge. Plus, she is the kindest person in all of PSA. Nothing negative about SGC from me, however, I agree with Peter, it is perplexing to still see the difference in values between the two companies.

Just a quick update on my current lead time experience.

1. PSA Waiting on about 700 cards to be graded since early March, 2021.
2. Beckett. Recently, after almost TWENTY full months of waiting, I recd my
large submission back.

3. SGC. Never have given them a sub.

[ClementeFanOh]

Peter Spaeth- great question! I agree that PSA cards somehow (voodoo/
deals written in blood with underworld creatures??) draw higher sales prices
than their SGC counterparts. Why is that? I will start with why it is NOT:

1) It is not because of better accuracy or consistency, that's for sure
2) It is not because of sterling customer service
3) It is not because of professionalism or integrity

The best explanation I can come up with, is that PSA was "first" in grading. I
am absolutely not saying this makes them best. They just got out ahead of
everyone. I think of a certain lawn mower/farm tractor company that has
been in the American consciousness for decades (their paint is green and
yellow). In my life, the clear worst mower I ever purchased was made by
this company, and it's not close. Yet people keep repeating their TV mantra.
It's familiarity, style over substance. People keep flocking to a restaurant
with a famous arch, despite the meat originating from skunk or opossum
(yes, this is sarcasm). Why do some people keep doing that? It's been
drilled into their skulls forever and they can't shake loose.

I like cards that are graded correctly and consistently. SGC fits that bill
more than PSA ever will. Every single PSA I own has been gone over with
a fine tooth comb and, unless there is a seismic change in their character,
always will be. I know my SGC 6 is a 6; however, all I know about a PSA 6
that I haven't seen, is that it is likely somewhere between a 1 and a 10.
They sure are rolling in money though

Trent King

[Peter_Spaeth]

Trent, it's hard for me to believe that all these decades later first mover advantage is the explanation, but then again I don't know. My own guess, I think PSA is better at self-promotion.

[ClementeFanOh]

Peter- I hear you; heck, I could be persuaded to agree. But what else is there?
They survive scandal after scandal, are utterly ramshackle in their actual
business of grading, and treat most customers like filth. Is it the registry
after all? I don't give a darn about it, but is there some legion who do, and
who continue fueling hammer values for shaky product? Trent King

[cammb]

Originally Posted by clementefanoh

peter spaeth- great question! I agree that psa cards somehow (voodoo/
deals written in blood with underworld creatures??) draw higher sales prices
than their sgc counterparts. Why is that? I will start with why it is not:

1) it is not because of better accuracy or consistency, that's for sure
2) it is not because of sterling customer service
3) it is not because of professionalism or integrity

the best explanation i can come up with, is that psa was "first" in grading. I
am absolutely not saying this makes them best. They just got out ahead of
everyone. I think of a certain lawn mower/farm tractor company that has
been in the american consciousness for decades (their paint is green and
yellow). In my life, the clear worst mower i ever purchased was made by
this company, and it's not close. Yet people keep repeating their tv mantra.
It's familiarity, style over substance. People keep flocking to a restaurant
with a famous arch, despite the meat originating from skunk or opossum
(yes, this is sarcasm). Why do some people keep doing that? It's been
drilled into their skulls forever and they can't shake loose.

I like cards that are graded correctly and consistently. Sgc fits that bill
more than psa ever will. Every single psa i own has been gone over with
a fine tooth comb and, unless there is a seismic change in their character,
always will be. I know my sgc 6 is a 6; however, all i know about a psa 6
that i haven't seen, is that it is likely somewhere between a 1 and a 10.
They sure are rolling in money though

trent king

home run!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yoda]

What I would like to know how this influx of new graders at all the TPG'ers are first hired and then trained, obviously a necessity by the flood of new submissions. More to the point, consider the following:
1. What is their experience?, e.g. modern, vintage or pre-war.
2. How are they then placed within the co.?
3. Is there a training program for all new graders?
4. Is there a system of checks and balances for high value cards so they are reviewed by more than one person before determining final grades?
5. Is there an alert system to determine whether any cards may have been submitted by known fraudsters?
6. How are the workflows organized?
And, of course, I would love to see their salary structure for all graders among the big 3.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 55koufax

To me, it definitely is the Set Registry that sets PSA apart. Particularly when you have somebody as high caliber as Cosetta Robbins running it. She has been a model of efficiency for her 20+ years in charge. Plus, she is the kindest person in all of PSA. Nothing negative about SGC from me, however, I agree with Peter, it is perplexing to still see the difference in values between the two companies.

Just a quick update on my current lead time experience.

1. PSA Waiting on about 700 cards to be graded since early March, 2021.
2. Beckett. Recently, after almost TWENTY full months of waiting, I recd my
large submission back.

3. SGC. Never have given them a sub.

PSA certainly did well on the days they hired Cosetta and Jackie Curiel.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

People who work at fast food establishments aren't paid to watch people eat their food, wait on them, and work for tips.

I feel a little silly I even had to type that out.

right the people that wait for tips can stop theft..