Not often do we see 1932 U.S. Caramel cards.....so show us some of these cards

[Exhibitman]

Kevin, the 1932 date on the set is demonstrably incorrect. It is a 1933 set.



The biography back states that Lefty won the 1932 bating title and that he is 36 years old. Lefty was born March 4, 1897. To be 36 years old as of the time the bio was written, the card had to be issued no earlier than March 4, 1933. There are other examples as well, like Grove and Gomez. It would also make the 1933 Goudey Gomez into a RC as well.

I brought this to the Standard Catalog people a long time ago but it never got traction, apparently, because the TPGs still mislabel them.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Kevin, the 1932 date on the set is demonstrably incorrect. It is a 1933 set.

The biography back states that Lefty won the 1932 bating title and that he is 36 years old. Lefty was born March 4, 1897. To be 36 years old as of the time the bio was written, the card had to be issued no earlier than March 4, 1933. There are other examples as well, like Grove and Gomez. It would also make the 1933 Goudey Gomez into a RC as well.

I brought this to the Standard Catalog people a long time ago but it never got traction, apparently, because the TPGs still mislabel them.

Looking at a handful of other cards, it seems as though the age that is stated on the back of the card often lines up with a Spring of 1933 issuance. For example, Paul Waner's card lists him as being 30 years old and he was born on April 16, 1903.

On the other hand, there are also some ages that correspond to 1932, but those biographies could have very well been written in 1932 and not published until 1933. Very convoluted.

It would be great to see some sort of period advertising for the set.

[ValKehl]

My type card has not yet been shown:

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by ValKehl

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Val - Cronin's card states that he was now manager of the Senators. I know that his first year managing the Senators was 1933 when he took over for Walter Johnson. Do you know when he was actually named the manager or when Johnson was fired?

[brianp-beme]

Also Eddie Collins is identified as part owner of the Red Sox, and that his age is 45 years old. As far as I can tell, he became part owner at the time he was named vice president and general manager on February 25th, 1933. He would have been 46 years old on May 2nd, 1933. That issue date of early spring is looking pretty solid.

Brian

[brianp-beme]

Always willing to bring things down a couple of notches when it comes to visual examples. Here is a rough Ruffing and a leftover O'Doul.

Brian

[puckpaul]

Another Lefty (not canceled).

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Also Eddie Collins is identified as part owner of the Red Sox, and that his age is 45 years old. As far as I can tell, he became part owner at the time he was named vice president and general manager on February 25th, 1933. He would have been 46 years old on May 2nd, 1933. That issue date of early spring is looking pretty solid.

Brian

Thanks for pointing that out. Yes it looks like Tom Yawkey bought the Red Sox on Feb 25, 1933 and brought along his childhood friend Eddie Collins as a part owner, General Manager, etc.

So, the earliest that the Collins card could have been produced looks to be Feb 25, 1933.

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Val - Cronin's card states that he was now manager of the Senators. I know that his first year managing the Senators was 1933 when he took over for Walter Johnson. Do you know when he was actually named the manager or when Johnson was fired?

Kevin, offhand, I don't know either of these specific dates. I just now took a quick look at Hank Thomas' wonderful bio of his grandfather and found this: "At a testimonial banquet before 700 Washingtonians at the Shoreham Hotel on November 30, 1932, Walter Johnson bade farewell to the Nationals more than a quarter-century after joining the team." I would think exact dates could be found with greater research.