Pwcc Csg partnership

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's interesting, for years, people vehemently defended PWCC. One "The Scandal" really came to light, virtually nobody did. Now, people seem to be doing so again, or at least in the lukewarm sense of claiming it's all an unproven conspiracy theory, or saying they're no worse than everyone else in the hobby, etc.

This behavior is why, personally, I think the best detective work was the work on modern cards that are serial numbered. The unique serializing makes it entirely undeniable that these cards were, in fact, the exact same card and clearly trimmed. Which is probably why we see nobody actually challenge the evidence itself, simply throw absurd illogical statements around and try to lump in the documentation of PWCC's guilt with conspiracy theories. When you got nothing else to throw, throw bull!@#$

[G1911]

Well we got through 104 posts before Godwin's law was proven yet again.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Well we got through 104 posts before Godwin's law was proven yet again.

That law goes all the way back to the early usenet groups if memory serves.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That law goes all the way back to the early usenet groups if memory serves.

I looked it up, it goes back to 1990 in usenet groups apparently. I don't remember hearing it until the mid 2000's.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I looked it up, it goes back to 1990 in usenet groups apparently. I don't remember hearing it until the mid 2000's.

Yeah human nature being what it is, it probably came up in the first controversial thread ever.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Yeah human nature being what it is, it probably came up in the first controversial thread ever.

Seriously, I would love to read some of the first public chat board threads in internet history. I imagine little has changed, except we have more developed memes now.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Seriously, I would love to read some of the first public chat board threads in internet history. I imagine little has changed, except we have more developed memes now.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/pky7...e-utzoo-online

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by G1911

Seriously, I would love to read some of the first public chat board threads in internet history. I imagine little has changed, except we have more developed memes now.

Yup, people back then claimed they were right and rudely shot down others. Not much has changed apparently.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

This behavior is why, personally, I think the best detective work was the work on modern cards that are serial numbered. The unique serializing makes it entirely undeniable that these cards were, in fact, the exact same card and clearly trimmed. Which is probably why we see nobody actually challenge the evidence itself, simply throw absurd illogical statements around and try to lump in the documentation of PWCC's guilt with conspiracy theories. When you got nothing else to throw, throw bull!@#$

Repeating what I said in another thread as it seems relevant here.

Keep in mind that with strict rules of evidence and a very high burden of proof, not all crimes can be successfully prosecuted in court. At one point Brent Huigens was a cooperating witness and his rumored decision not to cooperate may have changed the prosecutor's calculus. If indeed this is all over from the criminal justice angle, and we don't know that, I think evidentiary considerations likely were more the reason than either the FBI or the prosecutor considering this unimportant. Prosecutors only like to pursue cases they feel they have a strong chance of winning. The evidence in the court of public opinion is quite different from what is admissible in court. They couldn't just put up screenshots of Blowout threads.

All speculation of course.

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[Aquarian Sports Cards]

dumb question. How long (without the additional delaying effects of a pandemic) did the investigation of Mastro take? Doug Allen? Operation Bullpen? Was there a point in those investigations where people were like "see they didn't do anything because they haven't been charged and it's been 'X' amount of time"???

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

dumb question. How long (without the additional delaying effects of a pandemic) did the investigation of Mastro take? Doug Allen? Operation Bullpen? Was there a point in those investigations where people were like "see they didn't do anything because they haven't been charged and it's been 'X' amount of time"???

It was apparently three years after the FBI was seen at the 2009 National that Mastro and Allen were indicted. Presumably the investigation was then necessarily longer than that (source: https://sportscollectorsdigest.com/c...-fraud-charges). It was 3 more years, I 2015, that he was sentenced.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

dumb question. How long (without the additional delaying effects of a pandemic) did the investigation of Mastro take? Doug Allen? Operation Bullpen? Was there a point in those investigations where people were like "see they didn't do anything because they haven't been charged and it's been 'X' amount of time"???

Mastro I believe closed down in 2009 and was indicted in 2012. The recent indictment for autograph fraud concerned activities several years before. Sometimes these things do take time. Again, I have no knowledge at all about the investigation of PWCC etc. etc.