A thought on older psa graded commons.

[glchen]

Personally, I think for set collectors, the registry is going to slowly stagnate and even die off. As mentioned, it just makes no sense to spend $50/card for grading a common just to fill a spot in your registry. What's driving submissions these days are folks trying to flip a card for $$$$/investments and not to fill holes in their registry sets. I just don't see folks being that patient and waiting years more for subs to come down to the $10/card mark.

[Yoda]

Given current prices and backlogs (talk about supply chain issues) with TPG's, there just might be a revival of collectors who have decided they like their cards raw just fine, even some high value cards included. The ability to touch and smell the ancient paper is really impossible to replicate when your treasure is entombed in plastic.

Motto: "I grade 'em as I see 'em."

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Given current prices and backlogs (talk about supply chain issues) with TPG's, there just might be a revival of collectors who have decided they like their cards raw just fine, even some high value cards included. The ability to touch and smell the ancient paper is really impossible to replicate when your treasure is entombed in plastic.

Motto: "I grade 'em as I see 'em."

There is a revival, at least I know of one for sure. I'm a set collector. I was a graded set collector, but I've now abandoned the idea of starting any news graded sets. And I'm happy about it. I started my T3 set last April, right around the TPG armageddon, consciously looking for ungraded cards. And I liked them so much that I ended up cracking out (checks spreadsheet...) 20 T3's from a mix of SGC and PSA holders in the process.

I'll admit that I knew for a while that I enjoyed my ungraded cards more than the slabbed ones, but it took a few well publicized PSA scandals (breaking the spell of the registry and pushing me to SGC) and then the grading shutdown (pushing me away from all TPGs) to finally turn me around and force me to accept the truth.

[Dandor]

I have been saying this for the past year. We need a generic registry where we can use any grading company. I was strictly PSA until they closed and now I have SGC, BGS (BVG), and CSG slabs. I am shocked that a company like Market Movers haven't tried to make a registry for all brands of slabs.

[bobbyw8469]

Did anyone see the email that Beckett officially opened back up today at a $30 level??

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Did anyone see the email that Beckett officially opened back up today at a $30 level??

$30 with a 4-5 month turn time and no sub grades.

Wow! What a bargain!

[glchen]

Originally Posted by rand1com

$30 with a 4-5 month turn time and no sub grades.

Wow! What a bargain!

It actually is a bargain because there are no declared value tiers at Beckett. You could send a T206 Honus Wagner under this Standard tier and pay just $30 to grade it. This would cost you $10,000 at PSA and $3750 from SGC. Of course, you'd still need to wait 4-5 months to get your card back.

[chadeast]

Originally Posted by Dandor

I have been saying this for the past year. We need a generic registry where we can use any grading company. I was strictly PSA until they closed and now I have SGC, BGS (BVG), and CSG slabs. I am shocked that a company like Market Movers haven't tried to make a registry for all brands of slabs.

How would this be possible unless that 3rd party had access to all of PSA, SGC, BGS databases to confirm what the card actually is? And why would those TPG's support the efforts of a 3rd party? Or are you suggesting an honor-based registry? Which I would be fine with, but there would surely be rampant cheating by those who just want to be on top of a list, listing cards they don't actually have.

[Dandor]

Originally Posted by chadeast

How would this be possible unless that 3rd party had access to all of PSA, SGC, BGS databases to confirm what the card actually is? And why would those TPG's support the efforts of a 3rd party? Or are you suggesting an honor-based registry? Which I would be fine with, but there would surely be rampant cheating by those who just want to be on top of a list, listing cards they don't actually have.

I see your points and I really don't use a registry for competitive purposes. Mainly just want to complete certain sets and would be completely fine with an honor-based registry. I choose eye-appeal over grades anyways. However, a large portion of PSA registry people are definitely competitive, and I see the issues with a 3rd party.

Once PSA does get cheaper grading, 2023 won't be the junk slab era, it will be the cracked slabbed era. 70% of SGC and CSG slabs will be cracked to submit the cards to PSA.

[Stampsfan]

Originally Posted by chadeast

How would this be possible unless that 3rd party had access to all of PSA, SGC, BGS databases to confirm what the card actually is? And why would those TPG's support the efforts of a 3rd party? Or are you suggesting an honor-based registry? Which I would be fine with, but there would surely be rampant cheating by those who just want to be on top of a list, listing cards they don't actually have.

I don't think anything says "Loser" more than this.

If it ever happened, internet trolls would call out and (figuratively) crucify the folks who did this, and they would never be given any credibility going forward.

Social Media trolls are renowned for publishing the names of anyone who would do this. Their "fame" would last about 15 minutes.

[BobC]

Originally Posted by Dandor

I have been saying this for the past year. We need a generic registry where we can use any grading company. I was strictly PSA until they closed and now I have SGC, BGS (BVG), and CSG slabs. I am shocked that a company like Market Movers haven't tried to make a registry for all brands of slabs.

+1

I've been saying this for even longer, along with an overriding hobby group running it, not one of the TPGs. And the hobby should be the one setting and dictating consistent and unchanging grading standards to the TPGs to follow, not them each telling us what the standards are, and not each of them setting their own standards and telling us what is what, with regard to grading.

This ever happening was virtually impossible before, but with the advent and influx of investors over collectors entering the hobby of late, we can probably kiss that one-in-a-million chance of happening goodbye as well.

[Lobo Aullando]

Personally, I'm holding back 2-3 that are worth sending in at the $50 level, another 15-20 that are worth it at $25, but another hundred that are worthwhile at $12. Pretty typical. I've been holding on for a year already and have no problem holding on a few more. Purely anecdotal.

Maybe they tie it to membership and cap it. Silver gets you general submission, Gold gets you five Economy vouchers and a hundred slots at $10-15 each for max value of $100-200 each, and Platinum gets you ten Economy vouchers with two hundred slots. (Just spitballparking on those specific amounts.) Of course, there's a lot of settling down to go, plus I'm shockingly not a market researcher.

Originally Posted by glchen

Personally, I think for set collectors, the registry is going to slowly stagnate and even die off. As mentioned, it just makes no sense to spend $50/card for grading a common just to fill a spot in your registry. What's driving submissions these days are folks trying to flip a card for $$$$/investments and not to fill holes in their registry sets. I just don't see folks being that patient and waiting years more for subs to come down to the $10/card mark.