Ebays new certification dealio

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by bnorth

So what was the actual cause of the week or two in delayed delivery?


Just throw it in the garbage like any other unwanted shipping materials, problem solved.

i assume was the delay was the process of certifying the card, ben.

My point is they put the card in a cardsaver with a sticker ensuring the authentication. I don't store any of my cards in card savers? Thy're flimsy and large. So I remove it and the authentication is naught?

I'm guessing at some point they may offer a slab for a fee...This is kinda what I thought I was going to get.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i assume was the delay was the process of certifying the card, ben.

My point is they put the card in a cardsaver with a sticker ensuring the authentication. I don't store any of my cards in card savers? Thy're flimsy and large. So I remove it and the authentication is naught?

I'm guessing at some point they may offer a slab for a fee...This is kinda what I thought I was going to get.

The tracking will show if it was the USPS or the authentication.

A little different but the same. They have been doing it for FREE with sneakers for easily over a year. They put this silly button thing on sneakers. I just cut them off and throw them in the garbage as I wear them. The sealed card saver can also easily be opened and thrown away. I can't imagine it adds any value.

[steve B]

Does Ebay accept it's own auhentication? Or if you sell it in their holder does it have to go through them all over again?

And if they do, how long before fakes start turning up (Assuming they haven't already.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by steve B

Does Ebay accept it's own auhentication? Or if you sell it in their holder does it have to go through them all over again?

And if they do, how long before fakes start turning up (Assuming they haven't already.

No, it has to go through authentication again.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

i assume was the delay was the process of certifying the card, ben.

My point is they put the card in a cardsaver with a sticker ensuring the authentication. I don't store any of my cards in card savers? Thy're flimsy and large. So I remove it and the authentication is naught?

I'm guessing at some point they may offer a slab for a fee...This is kinda what I thought I was going to get.

There is already a thread about this vary subject--eBay's authenticity guarantee and how the cards are sent back to the buyer.

I assume had this card been available two months ago you would have bought it? At that time it would not have gone through the process of authentication, so as was suggested, toss the packaging.

Not sure I see the problem.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

There is already a thread about this vary subject--eBay's authenticity guarantee and how the cards are sent back to the buyer.

I assume had this card been available two months ago you would have bought it? At that time it would not have gone through the process of authentication, so as was suggested, toss the packaging.

Not sure I see the problem.

I never doubted the authenticity of this card. My point is...to me this service was useless. To many...it may give them piece of mind prior to sending it to some other TPG'er.

But as has been stated...there will likely be conflicting opinions when another set of eyes gives their opinion...then what?

Sorry I didn't see the other thread and thought some might like to see the packaging, etc.


To me...imo ebay would be better off offering some type of slab service.

[GasHouseGang]

Hey, I'm all for it if it can help keep all these clowns selling fake cards from ripping off people buying on Ebay. These people are the future of the hobby, and they may leave the hobby if they get taken advantage of when they try to purchase raw cards. I think it's a logical step to try to avoid fraud in a hobby that has had too many rip-off artists taking advantage of new collectors.

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Hey, I'm all for it if it can help keep all these clowns selling fake cards from ripping off people buying on Ebay. These people are the future of the hobby, and they may leave the hobby if they get taken advantage of when they try to purchase raw cards. I think it's a logical step to try to avoid fraud in a hobby that has had too many rip-off artists taking advantage of new collectors.

+1

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

Hey, I'm all for it if it can help keep all these clowns selling fake cards from ripping off people buying on Ebay. These people are the future of the hobby, and they may leave the hobby if they get taken advantage of when they try to purchase raw cards. I think it's a logical step to try to avoid fraud in a hobby that has had too many rip-off artists taking advantage of new collectors.

for sure

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I never doubted the authenticity of this card. My point is...to me this service was useless. To many...it may give them piece of mind prior to sending it to some other TPG'er.

But as has been stated...there will likely be conflicting opinions when another set of eyes gives their opinion...then what?

Sorry I didn't see the other thread and thought some might like to see the packaging, etc.


To me...imo ebay would be better off offering some type of slab service.

But Pete, don't forget that you, I, and others on Net54 are usually way more savvy and experienced in regards to sports cards and what are, or are not, fakes. Ebay isn't doing this for us, they're doing it for the potential millions of new customers that don't know squat about cards, but would maybe like to get involved as they keep hearing and reading more and more about the rising interest (and value/prices) of cards.

One of the original ideas behind TPGs and slabbing cards was to protect online buyers from getting ripped off with fakes. But with the current costs and times it takes with some TPGs to currently get cards graded, it has already been discussed how when it at least comes to lower/mid-grade commons and cards in poor shape, not many people are as likely going to continue to waste the time and money to get such cards fully graded and slabbed anymore if it doesn't result in more profit for a seller. Ebay's authentication program at least gives all these potentially new and inexperienced customers a safe way to still buy ungraded, lower priced cards, and yet feel protected from getting ripped off.

And it may actually generate more revenue for Ebay and some sellers. Think about it, if you're willing to bid $450-$475 on a raw card you maybe aren't 100% certain is legit, why not bump up your bid to $500 to make sure it goes into the raw card authentication protocol. Spending an extra $25-$50 to ensure you are getting a legit card is way better to some than taking a chance they'll lose $450-$475 on what later on may turn out to be an unauthentic card.

And Ebay is not stupid, and if anything, is extremely business savvy. I'm confident they've run all kinds of projections and studies to weigh the costs and efforts of starting up this authentication process and determining that offering it for free, at least initially, will end up being more profitable for them in some manner over the long run. In fact, the awfully quick lowering of this authentication threshold from $750 down to $500 makes me even more confident that Ebay has done an extreme amount of research on this topic. Enough to monitor it very closely and make such a dramatic change to the program right after starting it and getting initial feedback to the overall program.

We'll see how good a job Ebay did in projecting the outcome from putting this in place as time goes by, and what their next move(s) is.

[BobbyStrawberry]

Originally Posted by BobC

But Pete, don't forget that you, I, and others on Net54 are usually way more savvy and experienced in regards to sports cards and what are, or are not, fakes. Ebay isn't doing this for us, they're doing it for the potential millions of new customers that don't know squat about cards, but would maybe like to get involved as they keep hearing and reading more and more about the rising interest (and value/prices) of cards.

One of the original ideas behind TPGs and slabbing cards was to protect online buyers from getting ripped off with fakes. But with the current costs and times it takes with some TPGs to currently get cards graded, it has already been discussed how when it at least comes to lower/mid-grade commons and cards in poor shape, not many people are as likely going to continue to waste the time and money to get such cards fully graded and slabbed anymore if it doesn't result in more profit for a seller. Ebay's authentication program at least gives all these potentially new and inexperienced customers a safe way to still buy ungraded, lower priced cards, and yet feel protected from getting ripped off.

And it may actually generate more revenue for Ebay and some sellers. Think about it, if you're willing to bid $450-$475 on a raw card you maybe aren't 100% certain is legit, why not bump up your bid to $500 to make sure it goes into the raw card authentication protocol. Spending an extra $25-$50 to ensure you are getting a legit card is way better to some than taking a chance they'll lose $450-$475 on what later on may turn out to be an unauthentic card.

And Ebay is not stupid, and if anything, is extremely business savvy. I'm confident they've run all kinds of projections and studies to weigh the costs and efforts of starting up this authentication process and determining that offering it for free, at least initially, will end up being more profitable for them in some manner over the long run. In fact, the awfully quick lowering of this authentication threshold from $750 down to $500 makes me even more confident that Ebay has done an extreme amount of research on this topic. Enough to monitor it very closely and make such a dramatic change to the program right after starting it and getting initial feedback to the overall program.

We'll see how good a job Ebay did in projecting the outcome from putting this in place as time goes by, and what their next move(s) is.

Great points, Bob. The more I hear people discuss this initiative, the more I start to warm up to it. I do think Eddie Plank deserves better than a card saver, though!

[BobC]

Originally Posted by BobbyStrawberry

Great points, Bob. The more I hear people discuss this initiative, the more I start to warm up to it. I do think Eddie Plank deserves better than a card saver, though!

LOL

Matthew,

At the end of the day, Ebay doesn't really care what or how you, I, or anyone else feels or thinks about all this. All they really care about is what will ultimately make them the most money.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

I never doubted the authenticity of this card. My point is...to me this service was useless. To many...it may give them piece of mind prior to sending it to some other TPG'er.

But as has been stated...there will likely be conflicting opinions when another set of eyes gives their opinion...then what?

Sorry I didn't see the other thread and thought some might like to see the packaging, etc.


To me...imo ebay would be better off offering some type of slab service.

Yes to most of us the service is useless but ebay is doing it for themselves and making it seem like they are doing it for us. I would never pay for it as a buyer nor as a seller.

And I agree, at that moment in time that is the way the card is seen. We have all seen countless examples of cards broken out resubmitted to the same or different grading company and the grade is entirely different.

Would be a "great" experiment to take a card and submit it repeatedly to each grading service. Assuming the card does not get damaged my guess is that there would be next to no consistency.

If eBay were to buy CCG, parent co to CSG, I could see a time where they would require cards to be graded (at least over a certain value) before they can be listed.