New member cuban cards

[aljurgela]

Originally Posted by Roland 49

Travis you commented that you want me to show Bombin Pedroso, now you will see his card from the Romeo and Juliet collection that I scanned a few years ago. Have you seen it?

of Bombin

[aljurgela]

here are a couple that I do not recall seeing... also one of my favorite photos of all time is of him... will try and track it down

[aljurgela]

Here is the photo... it is cabinet size....

[Roland 49]

Al, you show very good Miñoso cards, now the Miñoso card #68 from the Caramelos Stadium collection, this is one of the versions but there is another, do you have them both?

[ElCabron]

Originally Posted by aljurgela

here are a couple that I do not recall seeing... also one of my favorite photos of all time is of him... will try and track it down

Al, unfortunately, that 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo Miñoso should never have been graded as it was cut from a sheet within the past few years. Both PSA and SGC are guilty of grading cards cut from these sheets. If you look at the pop reports from both companies, you'll find the normal grades for Caramelo Deportivo cards. Ones, Twos, maybe a Three if it's high-grade. And then you'll see cards like this Miñoso in a 6, which does not exist in either year of Caramelo Deportivo cards.

Here is what happened: A group of uncut sheets, maybe as many as 10(?) somehow survived all these years without being destroyed. They were meant to be destroyed because the print on the back was extremely faded and light, and therefore not worthy of being cut into cards and distributed. But some Cuban hero saved them! And that's why so many "high-grade" 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo cards survive to this day. I know of at least two complete sheets that are still intact. I have one, and another collector has one. But each sheet has 3 Martin Dihigos, 3 Ray Dandridges, and 3 Orestes "Minnie" Miñosos. The temptation proved to be too much much for some greedy scammers who cut these sheets up and sent the cards in to grading companies. Any high-grade 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo card will have this extremely light back. The sheets made their way to the U.S. and were cut up and sent in to the grading companies, who graded them without question, for some reason. Any grading company could contact me at any time without every having to worry about compensation. I've never taken a single dollar to consult with a grading company or any kind of authentication agency. But they didn't. And they should all know that by now.

Al, can you post a scan of the back of that Miñoso? I would bet my life that it is extremely light and barely legible. Especially compared to a legit 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo card.

The back should look like this:

[Roland 49]

I was reading Ryan's comment, and he's right, I agree with him, but I'll give my opinion, in the late 80s or early 90s, I bought 10 sheets of this collection, 9 were complete and one was cropped because they glued some to an empty album, of the 9 complete sheets I separated the best for my collection, the back had the clearest impression, but not all were the same, some of the ink could be seen quite well, those 8 remaining through the years I went out of them, I told everyone not to cut them, because from my point of view they are rarities, and I consider that they have a higher price, but each person does what they want with their own, in the postcards of the United States they have companies that they evaluate and I consider this very correct and also the Cuban ones, but they have brought me Cuban postcards that are evaluated with their letter and number, and I have not agreed, because I have my evaluation system that is not so complicated and is most effective, and none of those who evaluate these cards in those companies know what I know, not one of them, not all together, and they have brought me original postcards that they have rejected for not knowing them, now I show a photo of one of the pages of my catalog where you will see the page that shows that sheet and a photo I took of one of the sheets from behind, but the most important thing is that they are all original cards with an almost perfect state of conservation, that is my opinion.

[Roland 49]

Photos magazine with Monte Irvin on the cover.

[aljurgela]

Originally Posted by ElCabron

Al, unfortunately, that 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo Miñoso should never have been graded as it was cut from a sheet within the past few years. Both PSA and SGC are guilty of grading cards cut from these sheets. If you look at the pop reports from both companies, you'll find the normal grades for Caramelo Deportivo cards. Ones, Twos, maybe a Three if it's high-grade. And then you'll see cards like this Miñoso in a 6, which does not exist in either year of Caramelo Deportivo cards.

Here is what happened: A group of uncut sheets, maybe as many as 10(?) somehow survived all these years without being destroyed. They were meant to be destroyed because the print on the back was extremely faded and light, and therefore not worthy of being cut into cards and distributed. But some Cuban hero saved them! And that's why so many "high-grade" 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo cards survive to this day. I know of at least two complete sheets that are still intact. I have one, and another collector has one. But each sheet has 3 Martin Dihigos, 3 Ray Dandridges, and 3 Orestes "Minnie" Miñosos. The temptation proved to be too much much for some greedy scammers who cut these sheets up and sent the cards in to grading companies. Any high-grade 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo card will have this extremely light back. The sheets made their way to the U.S. and were cut up and sent in to the grading companies, who graded them without question, for some reason. Any grading company could contact me at any time without every having to worry about compensation. I've never taken a single dollar to consult with a grading company or any kind of authentication agency. But they didn't. And they should all know that by now.

Al, can you post a scan of the back of that Miñoso? I would bet my life that it is extremely light and barely legible. Especially compared to a legit 1946-47 Caramelo Deportivo card.

The back should look like this:

very light... yes.... PSA holder now