Minor league lawsuit

[Den*nis O*Brien]

There was a book published in 1995 entitled "Wild And Outside" by Stefan Fatsis ...Subtitled "how a renegade Minor League Revived the Spirit of Baseball in America's Heartland". The book delves into this subject of how the independent Northern league battled MLB. Anyone who is passionate about the hometown minors will find this an interesting read IMHO.
We lost our Minor League team in Wausau Wisconsin who played at historical and beautiful Athletic Park which is located i/2 block from Cub great Johnny Schmitz's life time home. but the city fathers were smart enough to fill the void with the Wausau Woodchucks a college summer league team. But a long history of A ball was cast into the dust bin. So many towns in Wisconsin lost in this struggle. Below is a link to the front of Athletic Park.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1...9gLRX9WR&hl=en

[FrankWakefield]

Golly... my contrarian nature revs up again...

I think Baseball's exemption keeps the game from being worse than it could be, and that we'd be better off if that lawsuit is quickly over.

McDonalds... once in a while I drive through one for lunch (or I run inside and order to go if the car lines are crazy long). I usually order a McDouble, no onions, an apple pie, and water. (Think slightly older version of minor leagues.) But one day I order a Quarter pounder with cheese, no onions, meal... that's fries and a Coke. I order that for the next several orders. Then one day I come to my senses, realize I don't need the Coke, nor those fries that don't biologically break down (and if one falls under the car seat, when found a year later it looks the same), nor that big of a sandwich... so I try to revert back to a sensible (for me) level of consumption and go back to McDouble, apple pie, and water. "No," they say, "once you start ordering larger meals, you can't revert back and scale down your order." (Think MLB can't down scaling their minor league system.)

Where does it stop?

MLB, you can't go back and have just one day game in the World Series

Nor can you have a shorter season.

No, you can't raise ticket prices.

You can't make the bases 3" bigger. (Which would decrease the distance between the bags by 4 1/2", think about it.)

No, twenty years from now you can't expand and add any Major League franchises.

No, you can't add additional minor league teams; all ML franchises must have the same number and levels of minor league teams.



I'm not saying MLB isn't broken... I'm saying that lawsuit won't fix it and may well make it worse.

[jingram058]

I'm saying MLB IS broken, to anyone who will listen. Because it IS broken. And it is all because of $$$$$$$$$$! Do kids play baseball anymore, other than former MLB players' sons? Does anyone watch baseball on TV? No, it is far too boring for society today. I personally think that the majority of so-called fans attending games in person are going by having their employer provide them with a ticket. Who can afford to go, unless you sell your encapsulated and bar coded Babe Ruth Goudey card? Are baseball players household names anymore? Who will be the star du jour in 2022, after this year's stars have their Tommy John surgeries. As I have said before, over and over, tell me again how ballplayers today are so much bigger, stronger, faster, and better as they collect their half a billion dollars to sit the bench. Total BS. And therein is the problem. Nothing can improve the game, can't speed it up or any of that, because the owners have to pay these guys salaries so big that most stars can't even comprehend mere mortals like fans anymore. Just to get an autograph at the All-Star Game, you have to pay through the nose for the VIP Experience Package or some such crap. In this current lockout, I 100% support the owners. Something has to give with these BS players or the game will tank.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I'm saying MLB IS broken, to anyone who will listen. Because it IS broken. And it is all because of $$$$$$$$$$! Do kids play baseball anymore, other than former MLB players' sons? Does anyone watch baseball on TV? No, it is far too boring for society today. I personally think that the majority of so-called fans attending games in person are going by having their employer provide them with a ticket. Who can afford to go, unless you sell your encapsulated and bar coded Babe Ruth Goudey card? Are baseball players household names anymore? Who will be the star du jour in 2022, after this year's stars have their Tommy John surgeries. As I have said before, over and over, tell me again how ballplayers today are so much bigger, stronger, faster, and better as they collect their half a billion dollars to sit the bench. Total BS. And therein is the problem. Nothing can improve the game, can't speed it up or any of that, because the owners have to pay these guys salaries so big that most stars can't even comprehend mere mortals like fans anymore. Just to get an autograph at the All-Star Game, you have to pay through the nose for the VIP Experience Package or some such crap. In this current lockout, I 100% support the owners. Something has to give with these BS players or the game will tank.

MLB is broken, but it takes two to tango. WAR is the greatest and worst new statistic of the modern era. It has been weaponized by GM to discredit ball players older than 30 yo. These teams are able to control players through their prime years, and then throw them away based on their replacement value. This led to a freeze in contracts for players who are not superstars over the last several years. All this occurs while the average fan doesn't understand how war is calculated, and can't even give a basic explanation of the statistics that lead to the valuation.

Tanking is also not a player driven idea. Yet another idea from the front office.

Baseball is broken, and I actually hope this lockout lasts to July or ends the season. I want competitive baseball from the Reds, Pirates, etc. If that is the one thing MLBPA can fix, I don't care how long it takes.

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[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by todeen

MLB is broken, but it takes two to tango. WAR is the greatest and worst new statistic of the modern era. It has been weaponized by GM to discredit ball players older than 30 yo. These teams are able to control players through their prime years, and then throw them away based on their replacement value. This led to a freeze in contracts for players who are not superstars over the last several years. All this occurs while the average fan doesn't understand how war is calculated, and can't even give a basic explanation of the statistics that lead to the valuation.

Tanking is also not a player driven idea. Yet another idea from the front office.

Baseball is broken, and I actually hope this lockout lasts to July or ends the season. I want competitive baseball from the Reds, Pirates, etc. If that is the one thing MLBPA can fix, I don't care how long it takes.

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As an Orioles fan if a lockout leads to fewer games, a balanced schedule and salary cap/floor….I’ll be 100% in favor of missing the entire 2022 season if it means small market equity. Tanking is an indictment of large market domination and small markets should not be penalized for finding a way to survive.

[Tabe]

After 20+ years ss season ticket holders for the Spokane Indians, my wife and I made the decision to give up our seats. Spokane got bumped up from short A to AA and the season increased from 76 to 120 to 132 games. The beginning of the season was moved from mid-June to early April. It's cold here a lot of nights in June, April would be unbearable. There was no season in 2020 and the tickets for 2021 were a mess so we'd actually put our seats on hold. Two years of summers off and ticket money to travel with were nice.

Bottom line: MLB messed up the good thing we had going here in Spokane and we got rid of our seats.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Tabe

After 20+ years ss season ticket holders for the Spokane Indians, my wife and I made the decision to give up our seats. Spokane got bumped up from short A to AA and the season increased from 76 to 120 to 132 games. The beginning of the season was moved from mid-June to early April. It's cold here a lot of nights in June, April would be unbearable. There was no season in 2020 and the tickets for 2021 were a mess so we'd actually put our seats on hold. Two years of summers off and ticket money to travel with were nice.



Bottom line: MLB messed up the good thing we had going here in Spokane and we got rid of our seats.

Hi neighbor! My parents had Indians seats, but gave them up before the reorganization when they changed the start times for Sunday games, and business games. I must say though, that Spokane puts out a good product. But baseball in April in Spokane, gross.

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[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Den*nis O*Brien

There was a book published in 1995 entitled "Wild And Outside" by Stefan Fatsis ...Subtitled "how a renegade Minor League Revived the Spirit of Baseball in America's Heartland". The book delves into this subject of how the independent Northern league battled MLB. Anyone who is passionate about the hometown minors will find this an interesting read IMHO.
We lost our Minor League team in Wausau Wisconsin who played at historical and beautiful Athletic Park which is located i/2 block from Cub great Johnny Schmitz's life time home. but the city fathers were smart enough to fill the void with the Wausau Woodchucks a college summer league team. But a long history of A ball was cast into the dust bin. So many towns in Wisconsin lost in this struggle. Below is a link to the front of Athletic Park.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1...9gLRX9WR&hl=en

And let us not forget the Woodchucks most famous alum, none other than Ben Zobrist. Games at Athletic Park I attended are indeed fond memories, as were the meals in the Blue Willow Cafe, where Johnny Schmitz was the local hero.

Other than that Wausau is quite forgettable.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Den*nis O*Brien

There was a book published in 1995 entitled "Wild And Outside" by Stefan Fatsis ...Subtitled "how a renegade Minor League Revived the Spirit of Baseball in America's Heartland". The book delves into this subject of how the independent Northern league battled MLB. Anyone who is passionate about the hometown minors will find this an interesting read IMHO.
We lost our Minor League team in Wausau Wisconsin who played at historical and beautiful Athletic Park which is located i/2 block from Cub great Johnny Schmitz's life time home. but the city fathers were smart enough to fill the void with the Wausau Woodchucks a college summer league team. But a long history of A ball was cast into the dust bin. So many towns in Wisconsin lost in this struggle. Below is a link to the front of Athletic Park.

https://www.google.com/maps/uv?pb=!1...9gLRX9WR&hl=en

And let us not forget the Woodchucks most famous alum, none other than Ben Zobrist. Games at Athletic Park I attended are indeed fond memories, as were the meals in the Blue Willow Cafe, where Johnny Schmitz was the local hero.

Other than that Wausau is quite forgettable.