Hey, pennant guys

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Nice Greg...

Never even knew that oversized Yankees pennant existed!

Thanks … I had it once before, faded and beat up. I wish we could figure out the company. One thing is clear: all their pennants are cloth and have weird spines … although I’m still not convinced they didn’t make the forked ‘55 WS pennant. Here are a few obvious ones from same maker (I only own the Mets and Dodgers);

[thetahat]

So to summarize the known companies for vintage pro teams (missing any, Kyle?):

Trench
Keezer
Ad Flag
WGN
ASCO
Collegiate
(the maker of the above pennants)
(sliding runner BB/straight arm FB)
(grommet pennants, Midwest company?)
…?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

So to summarize the known companies for vintage pro teams (missing any, Kyle?):

Trench
Keezer
Ad Flag
WGN
ASCO
Collegiate
(the maker of the above pennants)
(sliding runner BB/straight arm FB)
(grommet pennants, Midwest company?)
…?

Isn’t there an ABCO?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Isn’t there an ABCO?

Hmmm I think we need Mr. Domer to check in on that.

There are other “series” of pennants of unknown maker, that share the same design and structure. Examples:

Oversized 1910s “B.B.C.” pennants (Red Sox just sold in REA)
Very oversized 1900-1910s with sewn leather graphic

I should also add that the 1951 NYG Cinderella Boys pennant comes from a maker that appears to be unique from those previously listed. There are others with same wide scroll and similar designs - again, Dodgers and Yankees, suggesting a NYC area company. Still think it would be cool to have a reference with pennants sorted by maker.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Hmmm I think we need Mr. Domer to check in on that.

There are other “series” of pennants of unknown maker, that share the same design and structure. Examples:

Oversized 1910s “B.B.C.” pennants (Red Sox just sold in REA)
Very oversized 1900-1910s with sewn leather graphic

I should also add that the 1951 NYG Cinderella Boys pennant comes from a maker that appears to be unique from those previously listed. There are others with same wide scroll and similar designs - again, Dodgers and Yankees, suggesting a NYC area company. Still think it would be cool to have a reference with pennants sorted by maker.

You have such a reference: pennantfever.weebly.com! I may not have posted any new content in a while, but I'm constantly updating the libraries for each maker as soon as new pennants are ID'd. If you haven't looked at my ADFLAG post in a few years, you'll see a few new pennants there. Same with WGN.

It's tough to keep up with Trench, however, because they made sooooo many pennants from 1940-70. They made a lot of different pennant series, too and each series generally included a pennant for all 16+ teams. Documenting them all would be quite an undertaking, so I just tried to include a few examples from each.

Oh, and the maker of the double-wide scroll pennants you reference? And, the BBC series maker? I have some answers to these questions ... but, you're gonna have to wait. New content in 2022 will answer these questions.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

You have such a reference: pennantfever.weebly.com! I may not have posted any new content in a while, but I'm constantly updating the libraries for each maker as soon as new pennants are ID'd. If you haven't looked at my ADFLAG post in a few years, you'll see a few new pennants there. Same with WGN.

It's tough to keep up with Trench, however, because they made sooooo many pennants from 1940-70. They made a lot of different pennant series, too and each series generally included a pennant for all 16+ teams. Documenting them all would be quite an undertaking, so I just tried to include a few examples from each.

Oh, and the maker of the double-wide scroll pennants you reference? And, the BBC series maker? I have some answers to these questions ... but, you're gonna have to wait. New content in 2022 will answer these questions.

Not to put pressure on you Kyle...but I need my fix. Where's the new content?

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Not to put pressure on you Kyle...but I need my fix. Where's the new content?

It's coming, it's coming.

Been a little busy ... but, it's gonna happen.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

Not to put pressure on you Kyle...but I need my fix. Where's the new content?

I just posted a new piece on Pennant Fever covering a short-lived 20th century pennant maker we've never really discussed; and I'm anxious to hear your thoughts on it. This month, we'll take a look at Salem Screen Printers, a New England company more known for their shirts and sportswear; however, during the late 1980s/early 1990s, they made a few pennants I'm sure we've all seen that, in my opinion, warrant some recognition among us pennant collectors today.

See: https://pennantfever.weebly.com/

Also, I've posted new content on my other site: Pennant Factory. There you'll find some interesting material on "caricature pennants"; and the much discussed "grommet pennant" we've all been mystified by.

See: https://pennantfactory.weebly.com/

Whatever you decide to read, I hope you enjoy it.

Next company on deck: The Reproduction Co. of Brooklyn, NY.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Isn’t there an ABCO?

Kyle mentioned he had another company profile coming for his blog. The name was something like ABCO. He said I had a few examples, including this one. Maybe the thin tassels are a characteristic? Note: even with the thin tasels, the one behind is not similar. It's the bat wielding Giant, Gothic font, player in the middle, ball at tip.

[Domer05]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Kyle mentioned he had another company profile coming for his blog. The name was something like ABCO. He said I had a few examples, including this one. Maybe the thin tassels are a characteristic? Note: even with the thin tasels, the one behind is not similar. It's the bat wielding Giant, Gothic font, player in the middle, ball at tip.

That would be AMCO. I'll have more to say about them on my BLOG in 2022.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

So to summarize the known companies for vintage pro teams (missing any, Kyle?):

Trench
Keezer
Ad Flag
WGN
ASCO
Collegiate
(the maker of the above pennants)
(sliding runner BB/straight arm FB)
(grommet pennants, Midwest company?)
…?

My list of manufacturers in the Pennant Catalog that I've been assembling is as follows:

ABC Emblem and Pennant Co. (1251 Market Street, San Francisco)
AdFlag Manufacturing
AMCO Athletic Apparel Corp.
ASCO All Sports Co
Button House
Collegiate Mfg Co
Keezer
Madaras Inc.
Norsid Mfg Co
New York Pennant Co.
Reproduction Co.
Trench Mfg Co
W.C. Kern Co.
WGN Flag Co
Annin Flagmakers of New York, NY, a.k.a., A & Co. N.Y.
Wright & Ditson
Pacific Athletic Co., based in Gardena, CA

+ the Unknown manufacturer of the pennants above
+ sliding runner BB/straight arm FB
+ Grommet pennants

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

My list of manufacturers in the Pennant Catalog that I've been assembling is as follows:

ABC Emblem and Pennant Co. (1251 Market Street, San Francisco)
AdFlag Manufacturing
AMCO Athletic Apparel Corp.
ASCO All Sports Co
Button House
Collegiate Mfg Co
Keezer
Madaras Inc.
Norsid Mfg Co
New York Pennant Co.
Reproduction Co.
Trench Mfg Co
W.C. Kern Co.
WGN Flag Co
Annin Flagmakers of New York, NY, a.k.a., A & Co. N.Y.
Wright & Ditson
Pacific Athletic Co., based in Gardena, CA

+ the Unknown manufacturer of the pennants above
+ sliding runner BB/straight arm FB
+ Grommet pennants

Chicago Pennant Co. (ChiPenCo)
and
Gimbel's?

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Chicago Pennant Co. (ChiPenCo)
and
Gimbel's?

Oh sure. I think with respect to Gimbels and a few others listed above, they may be “one team only” pennants. What does it look like if we limit to pennants made for most/all teams? I guess even Collegiate would drop off with only four known baseball pennants …

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

My list of manufacturers in the Pennant Catalog that I've been assembling is as follows:

ABC Emblem and Pennant Co. (1251 Market Street, San Francisco)
AdFlag Manufacturing
AMCO Athletic Apparel Corp.
ASCO All Sports Co
Button House
Collegiate Mfg Co
Keezer
Madaras Inc.
Norsid Mfg Co
New York Pennant Co.
Reproduction Co.
Trench Mfg Co
W.C. Kern Co.
WGN Flag Co
Annin Flagmakers of New York, NY, a.k.a., A & Co. N.Y.
Wright & Ditson
Pacific Athletic Co., based in Gardena, CA

+ the Unknown manufacturer of the pennants above
+ sliding runner BB/straight arm FB
+ Grommet pennants

Gary that’s a great list, thank you for posting it …

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Gary that’s a great list, thank you for posting it …

A couple of those made only a couple of pennants ever, IMO.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

A couple of those made only a couple of pennants ever, IMO.

That's very true. So far I've tracked 1,360 Pennants. Of these Trench is the most prolific producing 297 entries, followed by WGN (68), AdFlag (61) and Keezer (35).

There are a few more manufacturers that I should have included. This is the full list:

• A.G. Spalding Co.
• ABC Emblem & Pennant Co
• AdFlag
• AMCO
• Annin Flagmakers of New York, NY, a.k.a., A & Co. N.Y.
• ASCO
• Bloom Bros of Minneapolis
• Chicago Pennant Co.
• CMC
• Collegiate Mfg Co
• Ferguson Bakery
• Hanco
• Keezer
• Lowe and Campbell
• Norsid Mfg Co, Yonkers NY
• New York Pennant Co.
• Pacific Athletic Co.
• Red Ball Sales Company
• The Reproduction Co. of New York, NY
• Trench
• WGN
• Wincraft
• Wright & Ditson

• + the Unknown manufacturer of the pennants above
• + sliding runner BB/straight arm FB
• + Grommet pennants

Most of these have less than 10 pennants in the catalog.

It's been a while since I've published an updated version of the catalog. Here's the latest version: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FUg...ew?usp=sharing

If anyone has corrections/suggestions, I'd be grateful for them.

[matty39]

On the Ferguson blotter shown below it states that the bakery was giving away as premiums both large movie actor and baseball star pennants. Those pennants were produced by Bradford and company of St. Joseph, Michigan. Several years ago I picked up one of the large movie actor pennants which fortunately had it's ad on the back. Both are shown below. On your list you should probably cross out Ferguson and add Bradford and Co.