HOF Results

mainemule · #1 12-05-2021, 06:09 PM

Wow, I am shocked 6 were elected. It seems John Donaldon and Dick Allen were the 2 that pundits were high on who were not elected. Donaldson's numbers are certainly hard to fully grasp since they include so many semi-pro games. Allen was one, one!! vote short. Crazy......

rhettyeakley · #2 12-05-2021, 06:15 PM

Happy for those that got in. Most are well deserving.

Some real head scratchers for me to be honest. Not sure how Jim Kaat gets in but Tommy John doesn’t get considered. I’ll never understand the lack of respect given to Lefty O’Doul and his impact on baseball in the west & Japan. Also, how does Oliva get in but not Allen? I like Oliva a lot but always felt his chances were lower than Dick Allen.

cjedmonton · #3 12-05-2021, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Happy for those that got in. Most are well deserving.

Some real head scratchers for me to be honest. Not sure how Jim Kaat gets in but Tommy John doesn’t get considered. I’ll never understand the lack of respect given to Lefty O’Doul and his impact on baseball in the west & Japan. Also, how does Oliva get in but not Allen? I like Oliva a lot but always felt his chances were lower than Dick Allen.

John wasn’t considered on the Golden Days ballot because his greatest impact was between 1970-87. He will almost certainly be on the Modern Baseball ballot when that committee convenes in December 2023.

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fam...ras-committees

FWIW, John had a really similar career as Kaat (minus all those Gold Gloves), so depending on the strength of that ballot, he may have a chance.

https://stathead.com/baseball/player...um=0&request=1

Peter_Spaeth · #4 12-05-2021, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cjedmonton

John wasn�t considered on the Golden Days ballot because his greatest impact was between 1970-87. He will almost certainly be on the Modern Baseball ballot when that committee convenes in December 2023.

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fam...ras-committees

FWIW, John had a really similar career as Kaat (minus all those Gold Gloves), so depending on the strength of that ballot, he may have a chance.

https://stathead.com/baseball/player...um=0&request=1

Interesting. Given that Kaat and John shared 20 or 21 seasons LOL, one would think of them as being in the same era.

triwak · #5 12-05-2021, 06:50 PM

A Fowler card is gonna be TOUGH, lol!!

tod41 · #6 12-05-2021, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

Happy for those that got in. Most are well deserving.

Some real head scratchers for me to be honest. Not sure how Jim Kaat gets in but Tommy John doesn�t get considered. I�ll never understand the lack of respect given to Lefty O�Doul and his impact on baseball in the west & Japan. Also, how does Oliva get in but not Allen? I like Oliva a lot but always felt his chances were lower than Dick Allen.

It's now inevitable that Tommy John gets in. His numbers are better than Kaat's numbers.

cjedmonton · #7 12-05-2021, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tod41

It's now inevitable that Tommy John gets in. His numbers are better than Kaat's numbers.

You�d think so, but here is the last Modern ballot:

Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Marvin Miller, Thurman Munson, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons and Lou Whitaker

Now that Miller and Simmons are in, they will be replaced with 2 other guys like Tiant, Steib, etc�

Of these guys, do you think John would be a top 4 pick on 12/16 ballots?

Peter_Spaeth · #8 12-05-2021, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjedmonton

You�d think so, but here is the last Modern ballot:

Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Marvin Miller, Thurman Munson, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons and Lou Whitaker

Now that Miller and Simmons are in, they will be replaced with 2 other guys like Tiant, Steib, etc�

Of these guys, do you think John would be a top 4 pick on 12/16 ballots?

Sitting here I would say we'll see John, Mattingly and Munson although I suppose that's not exactly the most diverse group in these sensitive times.

Steve D · #9 12-05-2021, 08:23 PM

I think Jim Kaat getting in, bodes well for both Tommy John and Luis Tiant.

Steve

shagrotn77 · #10 12-05-2021, 08:30 PM

I'm very happy that Hodges got in. The honor was long overdue. Same with Minoso. I'm fine with Kaat and Oliva, but it's a shame that Dick Allen fell 1 vote short for the second consecutive time. If he's not a lock next time around, it's all a sham. Speaking of which...

How does the Early Baseball committee only elect 2 people??? That group only gets voted on every 10 years, and there is a backlog of deserving players, so put the max in for Pete's sake. I think John Donaldson and Bill Dahlen both got the shaft. I have to wonder if Dahlen will ever get in now. It's not looking good after this.

Marchillo · #11 12-05-2021, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cjedmonton

You�d think so, but here is the last Modern ballot:

Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Marvin Miller, Thurman Munson, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons and Lou Whitaker

Now that Miller and Simmons are in, they will be replaced with 2 other guys like Tiant, Steib, etc�

Of these guys, do you think John would be a top 4 pick on 12/16 ballots?

Evans (severely underrated), Tommy John, and Whitaker from that list. I�d add in Luis Tiant too.

earlywynnfan · #12 12-05-2021, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cjedmonton

You�d think so, but here is the last Modern ballot:

Dwight Evans, Steve Garvey, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Marvin Miller, Thurman Munson, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Ted Simmons and Lou Whitaker

Now that Miller and Simmons are in, they will be replaced with 2 other guys like Tiant, Steib, etc�

Of these guys, do you think John would be a top 4 pick on 12/16 ballots?

I'm not saying Whitaker needs to be in, but there's something wrong with Trammell making it and Whitaker getting only a couple more votes than I got.

ThomasL · #13 12-05-2021, 08:53 PM

I think the snub here is Lefty O'Doul especially with O'Neil and Hodges getting in as I classify O'Doul in the same type of resume as those two guys (all-star player with great addition items in their life in baseball elevating them to a HOFer)...very happy about Hodge O'Neil and Minoso...ok with Fowler and Kaat and not sure about Oliva (bc I never have really done a deep dive on him)

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