This is what's wrong with the average ebay buyer

[perezfan]

I've bought and sold on ebay, many times over the years. Perhaps the recent card boom has brought out a crappy new crop of buyers. But over the past 20 years, I would say there are a lot more bad sellers than buyers.

So many (countless) sellers hide flaws, lie about condition and conveniently leave things out of their pictures and descriptions. And some of their packaging/shipping methods defy all logic.

On the flip-side, I can't recall ever having a buyer refuse to pay, make a return, or renege on a transaction. Just lucky, I suppose.

[ClementeFanOh]

Mark (Perez Fan)- You are spot on. A couple weeks ago, I messaged an
ebay seller about a raw 52 Bowman Don Newcombe. We hadn't done
past business, so I introduced myself and asked if there were any creases
his photo didn't show, and to expand on the flaws/weaknesses of the card.
I was as polite as could be and told him I liked his card... so, he emailed
back and flatly stated he "didn't want to be held accountable" for any detail
about his card! He also made excuses (poor eyesight) about not being able
to answer very basic questions, and flatly refused to answer. THIS is why I
rarely do business on that site. Trent King

[BobC]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Mark (Perez Fan)- You are spot on. A couple weeks ago, I messaged an
ebay seller about a raw 52 Bowman Don Newcombe. We hadn't done
past business, so I introduced myself and asked if there were any creases
his photo didn't show, and to expand on the flaws/weaknesses of the card.
I was as polite as could be and told him I liked his card... so, he emailed
back and flatly stated he "didn't want to be held accountable" for any detail
about his card! He also made excuses (poor eyesight) about not being able
to answer very basic questions, and flatly refused to answer. THIS is why I
rarely do business on that site. Trent King

And it is because of internet/online sellers like this that grading and TPGs became such a big deal. Except all the grading and TPGs did was create a whole new and different set of issues and problems. Wish there were more in-person shows and auctions to go to. Always liked being able to hold and examine something before I buy it. A huge part of the fun of collecting to me was going to flea markets, garage/estate sales, auctions, card shops, and such. Sitting at my desk perusing Ebay has never been as enjoyable, and never will be, especially when you never really know what you're getting till it finally shows up at your door.

[Brian Van Horn]

"The outright lying on eBay"

Not saying that about buyers or sellers on eBay, but......

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by BobC

...A huge part of the fun of collecting to me was going to flea markets, garage/estate sales, auctions, card shops, and such...

I agree with this. Personally, my attachment to a card is much stronger when I've acquired it in person. Often times, memories about the events surrounding a show or trip to the card shop become inextricably linked to the purchases.

Not once have I ever waxed nostalgic about, "that day when I opened the envelope..."

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

Welcome to the world of EBay

This is also why some buyers will charge over market value.

Because many uneducated collectors/investors will happily pay it.

Uhhhh... I think you might want to reevaluate your definition of "market value"?

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've bought and sold on ebay, many times over the years. Perhaps the recent card boom has brought out a crappy new crop of buyers. But over the past 20 years, I would say there are a lot more bad sellers than buyers.

So many (countless) sellers hide flaws, lie about condition and conveniently leave things out of their pictures and descriptions. And some of their packaging/shipping methods defy all logic.

This ^^^

So many bad sellers. The annoying thing now is that eBay removes valid negative feedback now. Negative feedback rarely sticks in eBay anymore. They realized that if they just delete all the negative feedback that buyers have more confidence in making purchases on eBay. I had a seller list a card as mint condition that showed up with no less than 3 creases on it. Seller fought me and refused to accept a return. EBay customer service got involved forced him to accept a return. So I shipped it back. Tracking showed delivered but eBay's system had a glitch that wouldn't connect the tracking status to the case number, so seller tried again to keep both my money AND the card now. Had to prove to ebay that it was delivered weeks later after he refused to refund. Let negative feedback. Poof, it was gone a few days later. Dude has 100% positive feedback now despite being the shit of the earth. This is happening in the vast majority of cases now. Ebay just removes negative feedback.

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Uhhhh... I think you might want to reevaluate your definition of "market value"?



This ^^^

So many bad sellers. The annoying thing now is that eBay removes valid negative feedback now. Negative feedback rarely sticks in eBay anymore. They realized that if they just delete all the negative feedback that buyers have more confidence in making purchases on eBay. I had a seller list a card as mint condition that showed up with no less than 3 creases on it. Seller fought me and refused to accept a return. EBay customer service got involved forced him to accept a return. So I shipped it back. Tracking showed delivered but eBay's system had a glitch that wouldn't connect the tracking status to the case number, so seller tried again to keep both my money AND the card now. Had to prove to ebay that it was delivered weeks later after he refused to refund. Let negative feedback. Poof, it was gone a few days later. Dude has 100% positive feedback now despite being the shit of the earth. This is happening in the vast majority of cases now. Ebay just removes negative feedback.

Hi

I meant some sellers will charge over market value and some buyers will buy it over the current market value

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've bought and sold on ebay, many times over the years. Perhaps the recent card boom has brought out a crappy new crop of buyers. But over the past 20 years, I would say there are a lot more bad sellers than buyers.

So many (countless) sellers hide flaws, lie about condition and conveniently leave things out of their pictures and descriptions. And some of their packaging/shipping methods defy all logic.

On the flip-side, I can't recall ever having a buyer refuse to pay, make a return, or renege on a transaction. Just lucky, I suppose.

To the bold part, that is my experience also. We have sellers too lazy to put the correct picture up and they complain about the buyers.

[Jim65]

Sellers do the exact same thing. I've seen many say "thats the lowest I can go" then they end up going lower.

I guess thats Ebay's average seller too?

[Exhibitman]

It's just such a stupid negotiating tactic. I always tell my clients never issue an ultimatum unless you are ready to back it up because otherwise you just destroy your credibility.

Epilogue: while this baboon tossed off trying to save a few bucks someone else bought the card for $420! Our peerless leader Leon once told me, quite perceptively, if you really want a card don't worry about paying a few bucks more for it than you'd like; I guess even a busted clock is right twice a day. I kid you, my friend...

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Our peerless leader Leon once told me, quite perceptively, if you really want a card don't worry about paying a few bucks more for it than you'd like; I guess even a busted clock is right twice a day. I kid you, my friend...

Long term, I regret many things I didn't buy, and several things I sold, but my regrets for over-paying are very few and easily dismissed in comparison.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've bought and sold on ebay, many times over the years. Perhaps the recent card boom has brought out a crappy new crop of buyers. But over the past 20 years, I would say there are a lot more bad sellers than buyers.

So many (countless) sellers hide flaws, lie about condition and conveniently leave things out of their pictures and descriptions. And some of their packaging/shipping methods defy all logic.

On the flip-side, I can't recall ever having a buyer refuse to pay, make a return, or renege on a transaction. Just lucky, I suppose.

I agree... sellers have always been a much bigger problem on eBay than buyers. The only people with experience on the platform who think buyers are the problem are sellers - and usually the shady ones. lol

[ballparks]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I've bought and sold on ebay, many times over the years. Perhaps the recent card boom has brought out a crappy new crop of buyers. But over the past 20 years, I would say there are a lot more bad sellers than buyers.

So many (countless) sellers hide flaws, lie about condition and conveniently leave things out of their pictures and descriptions. And some of their packaging/shipping methods defy all logic.

On the flip-side, I can't recall ever having a buyer refuse to pay, make a return, or renege on a transaction. Just lucky, I suppose.

There are a LOT of scumbag sellers that care nothing other than ripping people off. I'm getting sick of it.