Were the T210's actually a 1910 issue or were they issued in 1911?

[oldeboo]

Even if that's the case, the "Texas League baseball pictures" ad stood alone for all of October, November, and into December. You believe the "Texas League baseball pictures" is in reference to 6 Texas League players in T206 as opposed to the 95 card(I believe) T210 series 3 that featured only Texas League players?

Is it known that only those 6 players were distributed in Texas? Or would your odds be 6/48(12.5%) to get a Texas League card? Why the sudden need to switch from "baseball pictures" to "Texas League baseball pictures" in the middle or end of an advertising campaign to highlight 6 cards only in Texas?

Edit to add: I found that September 28 "baseball pictures" ad now. So we have "baseball pictures" from early March 1910 through late September 1910 and "Texas League baseball pictures" from early September 1910 through early December 1910. The questions above still remain.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by oldeboo

Even if that's the case, the "Texas League baseball pictures" ad stood alone for all of October, November, and into December. You believe the "Texas League baseball pictures" is in reference to 6 Texas League players in T206 as opposed to the 95 card(I believe) T210 series 3 that featured only Texas League players?

Is it known that only those 6 players were distributed in Texas? Or would your odds be 6/48(12.5%) to get a Texas League card? Why the sudden need to switch from "baseball pictures" to "Texas League baseball pictures" in the middle or end of an advertising campaign to highlight 6 cards only in Texas?

Edit to add: I found that September 28 "baseball pictures" ad now. So we have "baseball pictures" from early March 1910 through late September 1910 and "Texas League baseball pictures" from early September 1910 through early December 1910. The questions above still remain.

I don't have an answer if only Texas League players were distributed in Texas Trey but there were 26 different style ads and both the baseball player an Texas League ads were the same except the wording and both ads show t206 cards.

Here's a picture of one pair and a thread I started on them.
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https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...light=Old+Mill

I'm not saying this is definitive proof that the T210's were distributed in 1911 but I try to keep an open mind when doing research. On more than one occasion dates that started out as estimates and eventually were taken as facts have been proven incorrect and I think the newspaper articles and the known dates of the Old Mill distribution of the T206's is enough evidence to question the dates on the T210's.

[oldeboo]

I completely agree about having an open mind. Raise questions and try to figure them out is the best we can do. In my opinion, I just see more evidence towards T210 being a mostly 1910 distribution and I think there is a good chance the "Texas League baseball players" is a solid clue.

Thanks for sharing that link. There seems to be something interesting going on, especially with the Texas League P350s.

I know one thing with absolute certainty. I would have been completely pissed off if I was told I was getting Texas League cards and then there were only 6 of them and I only had a 12.5% chance of getting one. I would have been switching brands.

Since this is essentially an Old Mill discussion, and these nuggets of information are intertwined, do you have an opinion on the third version of that Old Mill ad from Hawaii? Maybe there are other locations, but haven't seen them. I'm sure you're aware of this version. I believe it ran for a decent amount of time in the summer of 1911. It removes the mention of baseball pictures, but still shows T206 inside an Old Mill pack. A case of false advertising or do you think it's connected to something? One of the regular OM print runs maybe?

[Steve D]

Here's a previous thread about T210s that might provide some help/insight:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=t210+cy+young

Steve

[oldeboo]

Originally Posted by Steve D

Here's a previous thread about T210s that might provide some help/insight:

https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=t210+cy+young

Steve

Nice thread with some solid information.

To expand on your post a tad, here is a clipping that discusses the Virginia Valley League photographs.

[Pat R]

We just have different opinions on what the evidence is telling us Trey no problem there.

Awhile back I asked about the Cabinets mentioned on the Old Mill ledger pageI think you could send in for them or the way it reads they were also in the cartons.

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I just found this newspaper clip and to me it suggest there was enough interest in the cabinets to inspire them to start making the T210's.

December 12 1910 Greenville News
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[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Pat R

We just have different opinions on what the evidence is telling us Trey no problem there.

Awhile back I asked about the Cabinets mentioned on the Old Mill ledger pageI think you could send in for them or the way it reads they were also in the cartons.

I just found this newspaper clip and to me it suggest there was enough interest in the cabinets to inspire them to start making the T210's.

December 12 1910 Greenville News
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Patrick, it is almost certain that the cabinets came after the T210 cards. They include two players listed for Petersburg that appear on T210 cards for Portsmouth. As I mentioned in a prior post, Lipset reports that that the team moved from Portsmouth to Petersburg in July 1910, but all T210 players show Portsmouth--they do not show the team change. Surely the cards would have noted the change if they came after the cabinets.

[oldeboo]

Yeah, I had seen that earlier. "Some time ago" people were able to get the H801-7s during the distribution of T210. The visitation by the Old Mill representative was after the main distribution through the cases, during the 1910 season. These cabinets were used to draw a customer into a product that looked very similar to it, they would not have shipped with cards that looked absolutely nothing like the cabinets. T210 Series 2, 5, and 7 are very closely connected in more ways than one, such as T209-2. Geographically speaking, they were also at the core of the Old Mill factory in Virginia. Those series consist of the Virginia League, Carolina Association, and East Carolina League. It's one piece to the puzzle.

Check out post #9 in the link for the method of distribution of H801-7:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=171131

Again, please reference post #21 in this thread:
https://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=232761

T210-8 tells a very interesting story in relation to T211 and some issues that seem earlier such as Hindu SL. You have to dissect the T210 set in pieces. The pieces tell the story.