The hobby is surely passing me by

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by Leon

I watched it before you posted it. I am all "learned" up. I still think the NFT Wags and Pepe is not racist. Everything is effing racist nowadays. I am absolutely disgusted with our society today and I fear for future generations living off the govt. It used to be a black mark to take welfare from our govt. Now it's a badge of honor not to work ....so it seems. People today make everything racist and it's not true.
Just my opinion. Everyone has one.

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Then you didn't watch the whole video. It shows how "Pepe" evolved into something that conjured "racist alt-right" thoughts for most Americans but was used as a symbol of rebellion against dictatorship for those people living in Hong Kong. Why do you think the Pepe Wagner NFT sold for so much? It's not because of Pepe the cartoon. It's because of the ideology of his image. Period.

If the NFT were of Garfield or Snoopy superimposed on a T206 Wagner, it would not have garnered much attention. And we certainly wouldn't be discussing it on a chat board.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

Then you didn't watch the whole video. It shows how "Pepe" evolved into something that conjured "racist alt-right" thoughts for most Americans but was used as a symbol of rebellion against dictatorship for those people living in Hong Kong. Why do you think the Pepe Wagner NFT sold for so much? It's not because of Pepe the cartoon. It's because of the ideology of his image. Period.

If the NFT were of Garfield or Snoopy superimposed on a T206 Wagner, it would not have garnered much attention. And we certainly wouldn't be discussing it on a chat board.

Exactly. He evolved. He went to a bad place with extremists. To me, that doesn't make a frog racist. Sorry.

I am not interested in racism baited discussion either. If you didn't notice, there was exactly NOTHING racist about what was sold. It was a frog and a Wags card...NFT...

If I make a meme of a US quarter, and put Hitler on it, would it make all quarters racist? You will never convince me that that NFT had anything to do with racism.

[packs]

I guess you felt like I was challenging you in some way. I was only making a point about symbols and how they can be co-opted and turned into things they weren't meant to be. Not anyone's opinion on symbols.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by packs

I don't think Pepe the frog in a vacuum can be considered a symbol of white supremacy. But I do think it's best to avoid issues that might be connected to anything like that in any case, whether in a vacuum or not. I don't think it's possible to deny Pepe's association with certain groups anymore than it's possible to deny the swastika's association with certain groups. The swastika was once a peaceful symbol and used widely but it has of course taken on other connotations that can't be ignored.

Put your name out here and please continue.
And sorry, I still disagree. A frog and a swastika are 2 different things. I love frogs and see them all the time at my house. They aren't racist. They are green. I would never have a swastika at my house. It's a bad symbol, frogs aren't.

[ALR-bishop]

Not sure about Pepe but some frogs are pretty tasty. And Peter, don't know about you but the hobby passed me by awhile back

[Exhibitman]

Do NOT mess with Snoopy. He's a bad mutha***er.



This whole NFT thing, a big 'who cares' in my collecting book. I collect to enjoy something I enjoyed as a kid the way I enjoyed it as a kid. Unlike Cap'n Crunch or Pop-Tarts, something that won't make my 56 year old body sick. That means cardboard and paper in hand to play with in front of the television. Period. This digital, fractional stuff, forget it; if I want something i can't play with I will buy stocks. See signature line below...'nuf ced

[philo98]

Originally Posted by Leon

Put your name out here and please continue.
And sorry, I still disagree. A frog and a swastika are 2 different things. I love frogs and see them all the time at my house. They aren't racist. They are green. I would never have a swastika at my house. It's a bad symbol, frogs aren't.

A swastika is not a bad symbol. Being Buddhist, I can confirm that. A swastika is a symbol of peace and actually represents the Buddhist footprints. Its actually a lucky symbol. This has been the way since almost the birth of the Buddha. Unfortunately, some group in Germany decided to use it as their symbol. Maybe whats being done to poor Pepe the Frog.

I always say thank god (or thank Buddha) the US made baseball. Its the only thing that connects me to the country anymore. Having got rid of my US citizenship decades ago, I still appreciate being able to come back during the summer and attend as many MLB games as possible and participate in the National and other shows during that time. I can say that after this summer, sadly the US has lost it way. Ignorance has been taken to a completely new level.

My biggest concern is not a frog or a swastika, but that I hope there is no strike for this next season. I have already paid for season tickets for next year.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by philo98

A swastika is not a bad symbol. Being Buddhist, I can confirm that. A swastika is a symbol of peace and actually represents the Buddhist footprints. Its actually a lucky symbol. This has been the way since almost the birth of the Buddha. Unfortunately, some group in Germany decided to use it as their symbol. Maybe whats being done to poor Pepe the Frog.

I always say thank god (or thank Buddha) the US made baseball. Its the only thing that connects me to the country anymore. Having got rid of my US citizenship decades ago, I still appreciate being able to come back during the summer and attend as many MLB games as possible and participate in the National and other shows during that time. I can say that after this summer, sadly the US has lost it way. Ignorance has been taken to a completely new level.

My biggest concern is not a frog or a swastika, but that I hope there is no strike for this next season. I have already paid for season tickets for next year.

The swastika was also a Native American symbol with a reverse image:



The Benham Indian Trading Co. used it as logo on their postcards 114 years ago.

[philo98]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The swastika was also a Native American symbol with a reverse image:



The Benham Indian Trading Co. used it as logo on their postcards 114 years ago.

Excellent point.

[Seven]

I don't understand NFT's but I also don't really understand Crypto and both seem to be booming.

I think the NFT people are a separate section/separate hobby entirely. It relates to cards but it's more of an offshoot.

What I'm more curious about is if there's a lockout, how will the market, both NFT's and physical cards be affected.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

The swastika was also a Native American symbol with a reverse image:



The Benham Indian Trading Co. used it as logo on their postcards 114 years ago.

It was also painted on the nose cone of Spirit of St. Louis.

[egri]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

If the NFT were of Garfield or Snoopy superimposed on a T206 Wagner, it would not have garnered much attention. And we certainly wouldn't be discussing it on a chat board.

Omega put Snoopy on a watch, and that piece is now backordered for the next several years and selling on the grey market at 3-4x retail. It's certainly getting a lot of chatter on watch collecting boards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by egri

Omega put Snoopy on a watch, and that piece is now backordered for the next several years and selling on the grey market at 3-4x retail. It's certainly getting a lot of chatter on watch collecting boards.

I'll just have to stick with my Speedmaster I guess.

[Exhibitman]

What's a "watch"? My phone has a clock.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I'll just have to stick with my Speedmaster I guess.

Funny you should mention that Peter; the watch in question is a Speedmaster.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by egri

Funny you should mention that Peter; the watch in question is a Speedmaster.

Blasphemy lol.

[egri]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Blasphemy lol.

The Silver Snoopy, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Omega receiving a safety award from NASA.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by egri

The Silver Snoopy, commemorating the 50th anniversary of Omega receiving a safety award from NASA.

It's hard to ruin a Speedmaster and it's tastefully done. But still.

OMG the price.
https://www.swisswatchexpo.com/watch...iABEgJGM_D_BwE