T206 Reference / Reflections.....Tuesday Nite Trivia

53toppscollector · #1 09-23-2021, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pat R

Hi James, I have 254 Tolstoi's confirmed the same list as t206resource I think it's actually 253 (I believe Bender with trees is a PSA flip error) which
one do you have confirmed that's not confirmed on this list?

https://www.t206resource.com/Tolstoi%20Checklist.html

I took that checklist total (314) and subtracted all the blueish green shaded entries which are "should exist" and I got to 255, but I counted it by hand obviously. Ted noted that he thinks it is 255 as well, but I am honestly not sure.

Pat R · #2 09-23-2021, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 53toppscollector

I took that checklist total (314) and subtracted all the blueish green shaded entries which are "should exist" and I got to 255, but I counted it by hand obviously. Ted noted that he thinks it is 255 as well, but I am honestly not sure.

t206resource has 60 unconfirmed Tolstoi's out of the 314 on the list. I have seen at least one example of all the confirmed Tolstoi's except Bender with trees.

From Teds list I've never seen the Following Tolstoi's and they're not in any of the pop reports

Bliss
Casey
Knight (bat)
Knight (portrait)
Merritt
O'Neill
Pfeister (seated)

I have seen these that are not confirmed on Ted's list

Beckley
Donovan (throwing)
Fromme
Knabe
Street (portrait)
Sweeney, Bill

tedzan · #3 09-23-2021, 08:20 PM

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...... Piedmont ...... Sweet Caporal ..... Polar Bear_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____Sovereign ........... Hindu ........ American Beauty

OK guys....switching back to the main track regarding the subject matter....Joe Doyle. Here's a story which you may find interesting.

Imagine pulling a Joe Doyle Nat'L card from a Piedmont pack when you were a teenager. Or, your Dad's visit to Atlanta in 1910 acquiring a Ty Cobb/TY COBB card for you ? ?

One of the most unique T206 collections in the hobby is on display at the University of Georgia (Athens). Former Georgia Senator Richard Russell's collection of approx. 1000
tobacco cards were donated to Georgia U. in 1983 (along with Russell's historical papers).
Russell was an avid BB fan as a teenager. At the age of 13 (1910), he started smoking cigarettes (Piedmont was the available brand in his area of Georgia). He pulled 1000's
of T206 cards from the packs he purchased. His T206 set has 497 different cards. However, no Wagner or Plank in his collection. Not unusual, since these two gems were not
marketed with Piedmont backs.

His teenage smoking habits came to an abrupt end in Fall of 1911, when his parents enrolled him into Gordon Military Institute. It is my impression that his BB card collecting
also ended at that point (judging from the few number of T205 cards in his collection).

P.S.
In 2008, I became quite interested in this story regarding Richard Russell's collection, since I acquired a number of cards (duplicates) from his original collection. A relative of
his had consigned approx. 200 cards (mostly T206's) to a dealer in Atlanta (who listed the cards on ebay). He was selling many of his duplicates which were found in a box in
a desk drawer from Russell's estate. The group of T206's which I acquired were all Piedmont 350 backs, including 7 of the the rare "Elite 11" cards.

So, the point of this story is....before Larry Fritsch discovered the Joe Doyle Nat'L card, it was an unknown rarity, just waiting to be discovered.

TED Z

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tedzan · #4 10-02-2021, 07:01 PM

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...... Piedmont ...... Sweet Caporal ..... Polar Bear_____The "House" that created these Tobacco cards_____Sovereign ........... Hindu ........ American Beauty

OK guys....we are switching this "train" back onto the main track. Let's hear and see some more stuff regarding Joe Doyle and/or Chet Hoff....cards, stories, etc.

They started pitching for the NY Highlanders. Both 5' 9" and both had short ML careers (approx. 5-years). Doyle a right-handed pitcher. Hoff a Southpaw pitcher.
Here's their major difference....Joe Doyle lived to age 66. Chet Hoff lived to the grand old age of 107.

Regarding their BB cards......
The Joe Doyle Nat'L is the scarcest T206 subject in this 524-subject card set, with only 9 of them (or perhaps 10) that are known, as of this date.
The Chet Hoff's card is by no means a rare card; however, it is one of the tougher cards to find in the T207 set.

Your stories and/or your questions are very appreciated.

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I will continue their stories with these two very similar events with Doyle and Hoff when their Major League careers started......

August 1906, Doyle in his rookie start hurled a six-hit shutout vs Lajoie's Cleveland Naps at the Highlander's Hilltop Park. Doyle's variety of pitches bewildered the Naps,
including striking-out Lajoie.

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Originally Posted by tedzan

Chet Hoff Hoff made his big league debut in September 1911, the Highlanders were playing at Hilltop Park in the Washington Heights section of Manhattan. In his second major
league game, Hoff, a 20-year-old left-hander fresh off the Westchester County sandlots was summoned in relief against the Detroit Tigers. Chet recalled it 80 years later....."the
batter fouled off two -- the first two strikes were fastballs. The 3rd strike I threw him was a fast curve. It was a perfect strike over the plate and he looked at it. But at that time
I didn't know who he was, no more than the man in the moon, until the next morning I picked up The New York Journal. The big red headlines in the paper says Hoff Strikes Out
Ty Cobb. I couldn't believe it at first. It was the biggest thrill of my Baseball career."

TED Z

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