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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Trying to salvage a conversation out of this........................

For Clemente, who already had his 3,000 hits and place in the HOF assurred, the way he died adds to his popularity as a humanitarian and the value of his life.

For an emerging star like Lyman Bostock, I think it significantly hinders the value of his cards, as he didn't get the chance to make the most of his talent.

In 526 games and 2004 AB, Bostock hit .311, with 624 H, 305 R, 250 RBI, and 48 SB.

Agree. Generally speaking, guys whose careers are cut very short by tragedy or injury are not going to get credit for their potential.

[Aaron Seefeldt]

John, I hope you are feeling better. I know the last time we talked you mentioned health issues and I just want you to know that my thoughts and prayers are with you.

Now let's go have a steak dinner!

[Aaron Seefeldt]

Perhaps Addie Joss is/was a better example - dying at 31 of meningitis?

[BobC]

Or maybe Thurman Munson?

[nolemmings]

Lyman Bostock.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BobC

Or maybe Thurman Munson?

Interesting case. I suspect dying young may have done more to bolster his legendary status than another 5-6 declining playing years would have.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by BobC

Or maybe Thurman Munson?

Munson is a great example, as he was nearing a HOF career. I would guess his cards would be worth more had he not died, had a few more productive years, and made it into the Hall.

When a player dies, all of his future potential becomes nothing. I think the poignant story of the early death can sometimes offset this (Brian Piccolo's cards are probably more popular because of his death and the movie made about him) but more often not.

Just my opinion, but I think staying alive and getting the fullest measure out of his potential generally helps the value of a star players' cards the most.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Munson is a great example, as he was nearing a HOF career. I would guess his cards would be worth more had he not died, had a few more productive years, and made it into the Hall.

When a player dies, all of his future potential becomes nothing. I think the poignant story of the early death can sometimes offset this (Brian Piccolo's cards are probably more popular because of his death and the movie made about him) but more often not.

Just my opinion, but I think staying alive and getting the fullest measure out of his potential generally helps the value of a star players' cards the most.

I think Munson is right on the fence. I've seen it argued well that he already was declining and would not have done much for his HOF chances had he continued on that path for a few more years in Cleveland.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think Munson is right on the fence. I've seen it argued well that he already was declining and would not have done much for his HOF chances had he continued on that path for a few more years in Cleveland.

His power fell off his last 2 years but he still hit .297 (on 617 AB) and .288 (382 AB.) So that is still pretty productive.

[frankbmd]

Is the posthumous T206 All-Star team (top 12 or 22) thread relevant here?

Death is inevitable, sooner or later. Trust me, I’m a doctor.

I didn’t think Yoda’s OP was a death wish for Zion, just a less than woke example.

It may have been a woke example though, I dunno.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Agree. Generally speaking, guys whose careers are cut very short by tragedy or injury are not going to get credit for their potential.

Who was the young pitcher for the Florida Marlins that died in a boat crash? I think he is a prime example.

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[Mark17]

Originally Posted by todeen

Who was the young pitcher for the Florida Marlins that died in a boat crash? I think he is a prime example.

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Tim Crews and Steve Olin.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by todeen

Who was the young pitcher for the Florida Marlins that died in a boat crash? I think he is a prime example.

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Jose Fernandez.