Video of Sweet Caporal pack opening containing T206 Jordan...real?

[packs]

Just my opinion but doesn't look like a card that's never seen the light of day to me.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by packs

Just my opinion but doesn't look like a card that's never seen the light of day to me.

+1

Looked kind of hokey to me, but what do I know?

[rdwyer]

Total BS. Tax stamp is completely wrong.

[Piratedogcardshows]

I want to believe lol.

[rdwyer]

Movement is so fast you can't see anything clearly, except for the parts he wants you to see. Refuses to show bottom of tax stamp, but doesn't matter because it's a 1920's beyond tax stamp. Refuses to show factory, district & state info. A sealed tax stamp wouldn't let you push it open. No cards were ever issued with this tax stamp!

[tedzan]

#1.....the card has a Sweet Cap Factory #42 back. Do we know what Factory # is on that Sweet Cap pack ? If they do NOT coincide, it's a FAKE !

#2.....where is the 2nd card in the pack ? Two T206's were usually inserted in these packs (one on each side of the slide-shell).


TED Z

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[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

#1.....the card has a Sweet Cap Factory #42 back. Do we know what Factory # is on that Sweet Cap pack ? If they do NOT coincide, it's a FAKE !

#2.....where is the 2nd card in the pack ? Two T206's were usually inserted in these packs (one on each side of the slide-shell).


TED Z

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On august 29 1910 they stopped packing two cards (1 fish and 1 ball player) they discontinued packing fish cards and started packing 1 ball player only in Sweet Caporals.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Pat R

On august 29 1910 they stopped packing two cards (1 fish and 1 ball player) they discontinued packing fish cards and started packing 1 ball player only in Sweet Caporals.

During the Summer of 1910 (in the middle of the 350 Series) that may have been true. However, the card in this "demonstration" is a SWEET CAP 460 Factory #42 (overprint),
which was issued circa late 1910 with other 460 series cards.

Anyhow, this entire situation is moot, as this so-called "original" SWEET CAP pack is a fake.


TED Z

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[slightlyrounded]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Total BS. Tax stamp is completely wrong.

That was my initial thought as well. I assume we'd need to see a '1909' date at the bottom to be real. Is there some further reference you can point us to on this?

Card corners also look to be pretty touched to be pack fresh.

Then again, its seems like a lot of pomp and trouble to fake a pack opening on camera and then leave youtube comments open for questioning as well. Whats the motivation and payoff here?

Weird all around.

[rdwyer]

From John Canfield's site: (NOTE: No CLASS A Cigarettes on top of tax stamp). Amazing how tax stamp unglued itself from the inner slide. Note the difference between the top of each tax stamp.

[slightlyrounded]

Originally Posted by rdwyer

Movement is so fast you can't see anything clearly, except for the parts he wants you to see. Refuses to show bottom of tax stamp, but doesn't matter because it's a 1920's beyond tax stamp. Refuses to show factory, district & state info. A sealed tax stamp wouldn't let you push it open. No cards were ever issued with this tax stamp!

At 1:59 of the video you can actually see the bottom.

Originally Posted by rdwyer

From John Canfield's site: (NOTE: No CLASS A Cigarettes on top of tax stamp)

Thanks, this is indeed helpful. From the site:

Series of 1917: Appeared on tax stamps from 1917 through 1920. – note: Series of 1917 tax stamps appearing on 10-cigarette count packs did not have a date on it but rather said “Ten” along the bottom border of the tax stamp.

So....looks like this is a 1917-1920 dated Sweet Cap pack that's been incredibly well preserved and re-packed unless the conventional history on tax stamps is wrong. This also seems to jive with the aluminum paper on the inside which apparently wasn't used in the US prior to 1913.

[rdwyer]

This is 100% FRAUD!!! This jerk should be exposed!!! The rice paper wasn't sealed. Note how when he opened the rice paper with the exacto knife, the left side didn't require any force at all to open the rest of the top fold. (As if it wasn't sealed at all). Deliberately done to deceive!!!

[Eric72]

I find it hard to believe someone would open a genuine sealed pack with the relative carelessness they exhibited.