Let's talk about "over-looked" true Rookie cards....Pre-war and early Post-war

[packs]

They don't have to agree with me if they can explain how a player who never appeared in a major league game is considered a rookie.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

They don't have to agree with me if they can explain how a player who never appeared in a major league game is considered a rookie.

I'll explain it to you, to me it's a rookie because it's his first appearance in a big league set.

I am going to start a separate thread to collect opinions on some representative controversies.

[packs]

If you appear in a major league set but never play a major league game, were you ever a rookie?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

If you appear in a major league set but never play a major league game, were you ever a rookie?

Brien Taylor? I guess so.

[packs]

He was never a rookie and his card is a draft pick. I saw your other thread. Just wondering why you make the distinction for Trout that his rookie is the 2011 Bowman and not the 2009? I'm assuming it's because he was a prospect in 2009. But Taylor and even the 1993 Jeters are the precursors to the "1st Bowman" craze. Their initial Topps cards are as draft picks.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

He was never a rookie and his card is a draft pick. I saw your other thread. Just wondering why you make the distinction for Trout that his rookie is the 2011 Bowman and not the 2009? I'm assuming it's because he was a prospect in 2009. But Taylor and even the 1993 Jeters are the precursors to the "1st Bowman" craze. Their initial Topps cards are as draft picks.

Isn't that 2009 set a prospect set, not a major league set?

In any event, maybe it's a bit of a copout, but once there are official MLB designations I think we have to abide by those?

[packs]

If the companies get to make up their own definitions I think you get to make up your own too. Officially the MLB doesn't consider you a rookie until you've exceeded rookie limits.

Fun discussion though.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Brien Taylor? I guess so.

At the time I thought this Topps Gold was a great pull.

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[D. Bergin]

What's Mark McGwire's Rookie card?

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me, what somebody determines is a Rookie card, or not a rookie card.

I would naturally gravitate towards earliest available card, even if it's a minor league / college league / or even little league issue. I think they're all interesting choices.

How you actually assign value to each one of these using the word "Rookie", I have no idea, but just like everything else it's going to be based on supply/demand, or simply holding out for the right price for your rarity.

The only thing that bothers me is when a card's actual issue date is misrepresented by the seller, or you see a fantasy card (again, I have no problems with these in theory either), with an issue date on the back, that has been completely concocted by the card artist, and is being passed off as a Rookie card.

If you think baseball is complicated, you should check out some of the more obscure sports. I've been getting into Formula 1 lately, and I've seen nearly every card issued of any particular important driver, described as a "Rookie" card by one seller or another. I've also seen certain sets misidentified purposely, as being issued earlier then they actually were. The knowledge base is so limited, and there's enough new collectors interested in these things, that it's easy to pull the wool over a lot of eyes if you don't pay close attention.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

What's Mark McGwire's Rookie card?

Honestly, it doesn't matter to me, what somebody determines is a Rookie card, or not a rookie card.

I would naturally gravitate towards earliest available card, even if it's a minor league / college league / or even little league issue. I think they're all interesting choices.

How you actually assign value to each one of these using the word "Rookie", I have no idea, but just like everything else it's going to be based on supply/demand, or simply holding out for the right price for your rarity.

The only thing that bothers me is when a card's actual issue date is misrepresented by the seller, or you see a fantasy card (again, I have no problems with these in theory either), with an issue date on the back, that has been completely concocted by the card artist, and is being passed off as a Rookie card.

If you think baseball is complicated, you should check out some of the more obscure sports. I've been getting into Formula 1 lately, and I've seen nearly every card issued of any particular important driver, described as a "Rookie" card by one seller or another. I've also seen certain sets misidentified purposely, as being issued earlier then they actually were. The knowledge base is so limited, and there's enough new collectors interested in these things, that it's easy to pull the wool over a lot of eyes if you don't pay close attention.

Same with soccer. The word is abused by ebay sellers.