Question About Card Stock 1955 Topps/Johnny Podres

[G1911]

Cards 1-110 have a brighter white stock that feels smoother to the touch, or a cream stock that is a little rougher. This never seems to be notated, but the first series clearly had 2 different stocks.

[ALR-bishop]

http://https://forums.collectors.com...vs-white-backs

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

http://https://forums.collectors.com...vs-white-backs

I would really like to access the link you provided, but unfortunately when I click on it, it says the site can't be reached. Is there any way you can resend it?

Thanks.

[swarmee]

Just take off the http:// at the front since it was doubled in the URL.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Just take off the http:// at the front since it was doubled in the URL.

Ok, did it, thanks. I actually did see this post yesterday when I was searching the topic on the net. One person did say: "55's are indeed white, some though are on a different stock of paper and not as glossed..."

I'm thinking the Podres card is one of the glossier cards.

Anybody else out there have a Podres card and or any of the ones I guess from #1-110 that are glossier than the ones with darker backs?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jgannon

Ok, did it, thanks. I actually did see this post yesterday when I was searching the topic on the net. One person did say: "55's are indeed white, some though are on a different stock of paper and not as glossed..."

I'm thinking the Podres card is one of the glossier cards.

Anybody else out there have a Podres card and or any of the ones I guess from #1-110 that are glossier than the ones with darker backs?

Yep! I have Podres both ways (and a number of the other cards). I am putting a master set together for the commons and low-end hall of famers (it's a boring variation, but I like this set so much I'm happy to find a reason to hunt for a few more). The difference is often difficult to discern in scans, usually very clear in hand.

Stock variations are pretty common with Topps sets. The 'mainstream' only recognizes them if the difference is white stock vs. grey stock, but a number of Topps baseball sets have them, authentically different stock instead of cards aging different, etc. 1969, 1966 (the second to last series has a dark cream or a bright white that is really blatant in hand), 1970, there are many of them beyond the 1956 1-180, and the 1959 series (3rd, I think) and 1960 series (5th?) that have white and grey stocks. 1955 is definitely one of them. The "brighter white and smoother, glossier" version seems to be a bit less common, but it is not difficult at all or anything.

This stock change is, I think, especially significant in 1955 because the series are not really known (as far as I am aware). The historical division groups cards 1-150 together, 151-160 together, and finally 161-210. This clearly does not align with the sheets and series. The first 110 cards are probably series 1, which fits on a sheet. Whether the remaining 100 cards (Topps put 100 different cards, with I think 10 double prints, in their Football issue that year that has numerous erroneously listed SP's) were on one sheet, or were multiple series with more card's repeated on a half-sheet is, I think, completely unknown still (4 pulled cards replaced with 4 DP's that must have existed in two unique rows). 111-210 only have the rougher, less glossy, creamier stock.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yep! I have Podres both ways (and a number of the other cards). I am putting a master set together for the commons and low-end hall of famers (it's a boring variation, but I like this set so much I'm happy to find a reason to hunt for a few more). The difference is often difficult to discern in scans, usually very clear in hand.

Stock variations are pretty common with Topps sets. The 'mainstream' only recognizes them if the difference is white stock vs. grey stock, but a number of Topps baseball sets have them, authentically different stock instead of cards aging different, etc. 1969, 1966 (the second to last series has a dark cream or a bright white that is really blatant in hand), 1970, there are many of them beyond the 1956 1-180, and the 1959 series (3rd, I think) and 1960 series (5th?) that have white and grey stocks. 1955 is definitely one of them. The "brighter white and smoother, glossier" version seems to be a bit less common, but it is not difficult at all or anything.

This stock change is, I think, especially significant in 1955 because the series are not really known (as far as I am aware). The historical division groups cards 1-150 together, 151-160 together, and finally 161-210. This clearly does not align with the sheets and series. The first 110 cards are probably series 1, which fits on a sheet. Whether the remaining 100 cards (Topps put 100 different cards, with I think 10 double prints, in their Football issue that year that has numerous erroneously listed SP's) were on one sheet, or were multiple series with more card's repeated on a half-sheet is, I think, completely unknown still (4 pulled cards replaced with 4 DP's that must have existed in two unique rows). 111-210 only have the rougher, less glossy, creamier stock.

Ok, great to know and thanks for this information!

The first thread I posted on Net54 had to do with my concern about the difference I felt in some 1959 Topps cards, and I found out that there were some differences in the stock.

Good luck with putting together your 1955 master set, and again, I really appreciate the information.

[jgannon]

Originally Posted by G1911

Cards 1-110 have a brighter white stock that feels smoother to the touch, or a cream stock that is a little rougher. This never seems to be notated, but the first series clearly had 2 different stocks.

Ok, that's good to know. I don't have a lot of 1955 Topps, but I also have a Gene Conley, card #81, with a white back and it also has that smoother feel to it. The other cards that have the slightly darker backs feel a little grainier.

Thanks.