Will you get vaccinated against COVID once it's available?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by G1911

What’s a crock is this one way street wherein I have some ethical obligation to make my decisions based on your fears. The second you alter your life to suit my narratives, I will do the same for you.

Peter / Packs,

When have you ever made a decision about your own health and thought about how it might effect others? Name a time. I'll wait.

[packs]

When I found out there was a novel communicable disease I wore a mask when in public for the benefit of myself and others. Something I continue to do.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

When I found out there was a novel communicable disease I wore a mask when in public for the benefit of myself and others. Something I continue to do.

I'm talking about before this pandemic. Do I need to reword the question?

Pre-pandemic, when have you ever made a decision about your own health and thought about how it might effect others? Name a time. I'll wait.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Did you ever wear a mask during flu season to protect others?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Do you cover your entire body so that a mosquito can't bite you and transmit Zika virus or West Nile virus to others?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Since second hand smoke is a known cause of lung cancer, did you ever smoked a cigarette, cigar, pipe or anything else in public?

[packs]

Oh, excellent point. I get flu shots every year. I'm also a big believer in practicing safe sex.

[G1911]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by packs

I get flu shots every year.

And as I've already stated, so do I.

But that wasn't the question.

They say the Covid vaccine is 95% effective. The flu vaccine is only 40-60% effective. The question was, do you wear a mask during flu season to protect others?

[packs]

No, I get the flu shot. I told you that.

Also, your question was what health decisions do I make with myself and others in mind.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Peter / Packs,

When have you ever made a decision about your own health and thought about how it might effect others? Name a time. I'll wait.

Until the pandemic, I haven't had to. Since the pandemic, despite thinking I probably have very good natural immunity based on my history, diet, etc., I've worn a mask any time I have gone out where there are other people. I certainly don't want to unwittingly infect anyone, and am willing to endure a minor inconvenience for their sake. And no this isn't virtue signaling, just an answer to the question.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Until the pandemic, I haven't had to. Since the pandemic, despite thinking I probably have very good natural immunity based on my history, diet, etc., I've worn a mask any time I have gone out where there are other people. I certainly don't want to unwittingly infect anyone, and am willing to endure a minor inconvenience for their sake. And no this isn't virtue signaling, just an answer to the question.

In other words, you don't give a shit about people so you don't wear a mask during flu season and are willing to pass it on, right?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

In other words, you don't give a shit about people so you don't wear a mask during flu season and are willing to pass it on, right?

When did any public health authority ever tell the public it should wear masks during flu season to control transmission? Feels like a fake point to me.

[G1911]

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Is it about the directives issued by the state, or protecting others? If masks save lives from Covid then they would also save them from the Flu in 2019. So you think one only has this ethical obligation if the state orders people to wear them? That is, it is not purely about some ethical standard you claim, but about following the governments orders?

Why the hell would I have had reason to even think about this in 2019? Pure hindsight argument combined with a straw man about the state. Give me a break. You started off well but you've gone way downhill.

[G1911]

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[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When did any public health authority ever tell the public it should wear masks during flu season to control transmission? Feels like a fake point to me.

Hmmm...I don't know. I'll actually have to research that.

What I do know is that masks were recommended in 2009 for H1N1. You wore one, right?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Hmmm...I don't know. I'll actually have to research that.

What I do know is that masks were recommended in 2009 for H1N1. You wore one, right?

I don't recall that at all.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I don't recall that at all.

You don't recall wearing one or you don't recall the recommendation?

Either way, the point I was trying to make is that until now neither of you ever gave a shit about anyone else when making a healthcare choice for yourself. Get over your self-righteousness.