1912/13 George Moriarty photo help

[milkit1]

Just picked up this neat photo of George Moriarty that is labeled as being posed with Jesse Burkett. It appears to he from his family's collection but I cant tell the uniform that the other man is wearing. At first glance it appears to be Cleveland but it doesnt match any of the ones I've seen. Can anyone tell on this one?

Thanks

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[Pat R]

Hi Sean - If the photo is from 1912/13 Burkett would have been managing
Worcester.

[milkit1]

yeah I checked the worchester uniforms too and obviously they dont match. This one might be impossible to figure out. i gather the photo is from 1912/13 based on the Tigers uniform but I may be wrong there too

[Pat R]

Any idea who the Detroit player in the background is?

[Clutch-Hitter]

Looks like Bobby Veach.

Edit: in the foreground

[milkit1]

hard to tell. Looks like it came out of a scrapbook that was done between 1913-1915 so it almost certainly is 1913. Another factor that this may not be Burkett is that (assuming they are correct) Baseball reference lists Moriarty as 6 ft and Burkett at 5'8. The man is this pic looks to be possible an inch taller?

[Dardevl]

There was a coach for the Tigers in 1914 and 1915, named Jimmy Burke. Could be him?

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by Dardevl

There was a coach for the Tigers in 1914 and 1915, named Jimmy Burke. Could be him?

Im thinking this guy is probably older. Burke would have been about 40 during that time

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by milkit1

hard to tell. Looks like it came out of a scrapbook that was done between 1913-1915 so it almost certainly is 1913.

The uniform worn by the Detroit player has a collar that matches the light color of the uniform shirt. This matches the Detroit uniform worn in 1912 and 1913 (and perhaps in spring training of 1914). Prior to 1912, the collar was dark, and beginning in 1914, the uniform was essentially collar-less (or had a "cadet-style" collar).

[Clutch-Hitter]

No way this is the tall guy

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

No way this is the tall guy

Yeah Burkett was allegedly only 5'8 and Moriarty was 6ft. The guy on the left looks to possibly be an inch taller

[JollyElm]

I worked the tone, contrast, etc., and enlarged it to show the three faces...

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[Mark17]

In 1912 Cincinnati wore shirts like that, with nothing on the chest and "C" on each sleeve.

Cincinnati had a coach in 1912, Heinie Peitz, who would've been 41 and looks something like the guy in the photo. He was 5' 11" which might be close enough to be him, considering Moriarty isn't standing straight up and the other guy is.

[milkit1]

Excellent work Mark! I think you maybe right. It does resemble Peitz. The only thing now throwing me off is his dark cap. Did the Reds use a dark cap with an emblem in 1912?

[milkit1]

Here is a few more pics from around that time. Certainly does resemble him. Interestingly Peitz played 3 games for the Cards in 1913 after not playing in any since 1906.

[milkit1]

Here is a team shot of the reds from 1912 showing Peitz.
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[RUKen]

Originally Posted by milkit1

Excellent work Mark! I think you maybe right. It does resemble Peitz. The only thing now throwing me off is his dark cap. Did the Reds use a dark cap with an emblem in 1912?

It appears to be a Detroit cap. Possibly, this is a photo taken in spring training of 1913, with the man on the left wearing his (Cincinnati?) uniform from the previous year, except for a Detroit cap on his head.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by RUKen

It appears to be a Detroit cap. Possibly, this is a photo taken in spring training of 1913, with the man on the left wearing his (Cincinnati?) uniform from the previous year, except for a Detroit cap on his head.

It looks like a similar cap to the picture on Baseball Reference.

[RUKen]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It looks like a similar cap to the picture on Baseball Reference.

No; that photo is from 1903. Here are the mystery man, and Hughey Jennings in a 1913 Detroit cap:

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It looks like a similar cap to the picture on Baseball Reference.

It could be

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by Mark17

It looks like a similar cap to the picture on Baseball Reference.

I will get better scan once ita in hand. Hopefully that will help

[RUKen]

Here is Heinie Peitz from a 1912 Cincinnati team photo, and the mystery man. It looks like a match, but there is no way he's wearing a 10-year old Reds' cap. That's an old-English D above the bill.

[milkit1]

Regardless in glad we are figuring it out. I wonder if the tigers and reds played together in spring training.

[JollyElm]

I'm not a medical professional, so it may not be the correct diagnosis, but I'll just leave this here...

Prosopagnosia (from Greek prósōpon, meaning "face", and agnōsía, meaning "non-knowledge"), also called face blindness, is a cognitive disorder of face perception in which the ability to recognize familiar faces, including one's own face (self-recognition), is impaired, while other aspects of visual processing (e.g., object discrimination) and intellectual functioning (e.g., decision-making) remain intact.

[milkit1]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

I'm not a medical professional, so it may not be the correct diagnosis, but I'll just leave this here...

Prosopagnosia (from Greek prósōpon, meaning "face", and agnōsía, meaning "non-knowledge"), also called face blindness, is a cognitive disorder of face perception in which the ability to recognize familiar faces, including one's own face (self-recognition), is impaired, while other aspects of visual processing (e.g., object discrimination) and intellectual functioning (e.g., decision-making) remain intact.

lol I just got a lethal dose of Prosopagnosia!