Interesting 52 Topps prices realized at REA last night

[irv]

First and foremost, did anyone else notice a PSA 8 Jackie Robinson finished for $120,000 dollars more than a PSA 7 Mickey Mantle?

Also, since we were just talking about gray backs in the 52 Topps pic thread, I noticed a Charley Maxwell gray back finished for $600 dollars more than a Pete Reiser gray back. ($10,800 to $10,200) 2 grade differences, however, but still?
In all my time here I don't ever recall reading anything about Charley Maxwell gray backs being rare/hard to find that would warrant such a price realized?
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...searchin=title

[Republicaninmass]

Maxwell probably the highest graded. He sure is tough to find. Surprised the swift when low comparatively speaking

[irv]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Maxwell probably the highest graded. He sure is tough to find. Surprised the swift when low comparatively speaking

I never thought of that, Ted, but that very well could be the reason?

Thanks.

[Gorditadogg]

Originally Posted by irv

First and foremost, did anyone else notice a PSA 8 Jackie Robinson finished for $120,000 dollars more than a PSA 7 Mickey Mantle?

That was a really sweet Jackie 8 and a pretty average Mick 7, but still the appreciation of collectors for Jackie and other cultural icons is becoming more and more clear. I remember when I started collecting thinking: He never hit 20 HRs and was not even a great fielder. Not really seeing the Big Picture back then.

Later on I got some Minnie Minoso things, and as a Sox fan could appreciate what he did for the city and for Cuba, but still it took me a while to get past OPS+ and WAR.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by irv

I never thought of that, Ted, but that very well could be the reason?



Thanks.

Here's a gray Maxwell one of one

5k/bo? ..lol

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[irv]

Originally Posted by Gorditadogg

That was a really sweet Jackie 8 and a pretty average Mick 7, but still the appreciation of collectors for Jackie and other cultural icons is becoming more and more clear. I remember when I started collecting thinking: He never hit 20 HRs and was not even a great fielder. Not really seeing the Big Picture back then.

Later on I got some Minnie Minoso things, and as a Sox fan could appreciate what he did for the city and for Cuba, but still it took me a while to get past OPS+ and WAR.

I see it too. Those players are larger than life, and it isn't necessarily what they did on the field.

Minoso cards, or at least the 52 Topps version, have really taken off lately. Every auction there seems to be an increase on his cards, and I don't really see that slowing anytime soon?

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Here's a gray Maxwell one of one

5k/bo? ..lol

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I'll trade you straight up.

[e6phillips]

Great card. Underappreciated player, Charlie Paw Paw Maxwell, who's from the town so nice they named it twice and the heart of Michigan wine country. One of the biggest omissions of the 56 set.

Known to generations of Michiganders as a long-time favorite of legendary Kalamazoo Gazette sportswriter Jack Moss.

[savedfrommyspokes]

Some of the prices for the mid grade high numbers were all over the place....a PSA 4 Campy $1900, a PSA 4 407 Mathews $16000....seems like a month or two ago, the Campy would bring more than a 407 card in the same grade.

[LincolnVT]

#407 is SO tough to find centered.

[irv]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Some of the prices for the mid grade high numbers were all over the place....a PSA 4 Campy $1900, a PSA 4 407 Mathews $16000....seems like a month or two ago, the Campy would bring more than a 407 card in the same grade.

That PSA 4 Mathews, like Ethan mentioned, was very nicely centered but still, I was somewhat surprised by the final price realized.

No disrespect, Larry but I'm not sure I agree with Campy's costing more than Mathews, as I have never personally seen that.

Just going by these auction prices realized sites, I can't find anywhere where an equally graded Campy sold for more than or the same as an equally graded Mathews, but then again, since these sites don't cover all sales, maybe I missed out on some?
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/179025#g=4
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/178931#g=4
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...t=nc&LH_Sold=1

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by irv

That PSA 4 Mathews, like Ethan mentioned, was very nicely centered but still, I was somewhat surprised by the final price realized.

No disrespect, Larry but I'm not sure I agree with Campy's costing more than Mathews, as I have never personally seen that.

Just going by these auction prices realized sites, I can't find anywhere where an equally graded Campy sold for more than or the same as an equally graded Mathews, but then again, since these sites don't cover all sales, maybe I missed out on some?
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/179025#g=4
https://www.psacard.com/auctionprice...ues/178931#g=4
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...t=nc&LH_Sold=1

Dale, yes, there appear to be many missing sales from both lists.

As I needed the 314 to finish my set, I have closely watched the prices of that card(unfortunately, I bought on the way down, but I am complete)....it maxed out at a price of $6k for a PSA 5 in mid-March. This was a legit sale as the card ended up in the buyer's PSA registry set(not mine). Very few copies were available during Jan-mid-March periods, thus the peek in prices.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...&LH_Complete=1

I purchased my Mathews, a decently centered PSA 4 for like $4200 last summer. As this was a large purchase for me, I also watched it's price and values stayed fairly close (within 20-25%) of what I paid until only recently, when like the Campy in March, the 407's prices are now all over the place. Anywhere from $16k to $7k for a PSA 4.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...te=1&LH_Sold=1

My point is, during this year there are times when nearly equal mid-graded copies of these two cards have sold within a close proximity of prices (Mathews 1.5x more than Campy). On Dec 13 2020 a PSA 5 407 (albeit oc) sold for just over $5K, while the 314 PSA 5 sold for $6k in mid-March...this was likely what I was thinking of with my post. Now, same graded copies of these two cards are selling for 8x the other's price? A month ago this would not be believed as the Campy was soaring and the Mathews seemingly plateaued. Obviously I am glad the 407 card is finally appreciating, but am perplexed by the Campy's fall.

Only in 2021.

[irv]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Dale, yes, there appear to be many missing sales from both lists.

As I needed the 314 to finish my set, I have closely watched the prices of that card(unfortunately, I bought on the way down, but I am complete)....it maxed out at a price of $6k for a PSA 5 in mid-March. This was a legit sale as the card ended up in the buyer's PSA registry set(not mine). Very few copies were available during Jan-mid-March periods, thus the peek in prices.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...&LH_Complete=1

I purchased my Mathews, a decently centered PSA 4 for like $4200 last summer. As this was a large purchase for me, I also watched it's price and values stayed fairly close (within 20-25%) of what I paid until only recently, when like the Campy in March, the 407's prices are now all over the place. Anywhere from $16k to $7k for a PSA 4.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...te=1&LH_Sold=1

My point is, during this year there are times when nearly equal mid-graded copies of these two cards have sold within a close proximity of prices (Mathews 1.5x more than Campy). On Dec 13 2020 a PSA 5 407 (albeit oc) sold for just over $5K, while the 314 PSA 5 sold for $6k in mid-March...this was likely what I was thinking of with my post. Now, same graded copies of these two cards are selling for 8x the other's price? A month ago this would not be believed as the Campy was soaring and the Mathews seemingly plateaued. Obviously I am glad the 407 card is finally appreciating, but am perplexed by the Campy's fall.

Only in 2021.

Isn't that the truth!

Thanks for the info, Larry.
I wasn't aware of that.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Here's a gray Maxwell one of one

5k/bo? ..lol

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Nice card Ted.

[Republicaninmass]

Thank you! Just had my 11th signed gray back slabbed! Only 12 known subjects. I'm missing howerton, no clue who owns it, or if anyone cares!

[bks14sr]

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

Dale, yes, there appear to be many missing sales from both lists.

As I needed the 314 to finish my set, I have closely watched the prices of that card(unfortunately, I bought on the way down, but I am complete)....it maxed out at a price of $6k for a PSA 5 in mid-March. This was a legit sale as the card ended up in the buyer's PSA registry set(not mine). Very few copies were available during Jan-mid-March periods, thus the peek in prices.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...&LH_Complete=1

I purchased my Mathews, a decently centered PSA 4 for like $4200 last summer. As this was a large purchase for me, I also watched it's price and values stayed fairly close (within 20-25%) of what I paid until only recently, when like the Campy in March, the 407's prices are now all over the place. Anywhere from $16k to $7k for a PSA 4.

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...te=1&LH_Sold=1

My point is, during this year there are times when nearly equal mid-graded copies of these two cards have sold within a close proximity of prices (Mathews 1.5x more than Campy). On Dec 13 2020 a PSA 5 407 (albeit oc) sold for just over $5K, while the 314 PSA 5 sold for $6k in mid-March...this was likely what I was thinking of with my post. Now, same graded copies of these two cards are selling for 8x the other's price? A month ago this would not be believed as the Campy was soaring and the Mathews seemingly plateaued. Obviously I am glad the 407 card is finally appreciating, but am perplexed by the Campy's fall.

Only in 2021.

From my experiences with my hunt/purchases, the Mathews is multiples more than the Campy (typically 2-3x). My Ex Campy was 1600 late last year, while Mathews cards were in the 5-8k range for same grade and time frame. I definitely wouldn’t say 52T Campy values have fallen, still well beyond their average. 16k is ridiculous for a VG/EX Mathews, Centered or not. But I think all current sales are ridiculous and not an accurate metric for real value.

[Popcorn]

Jackie’s are the new “mantle” and it’s good to see.

He does not have very many cards and they are blowing up.

His 52 topps prices are on par with mantles in recent years and I think they will only go up.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

Jackie’s are the new “mantle” and it’s good to see.



He does not have very many cards and they are blowing up.



His 52 topps prices are on par with mantles in recent years and I think they will only go up.

Agreed, and Jackie seems to come up less often. Everyone saved their Mantles, Jackie not as much. Let's see if one of these is ever auctioned off, how bad it beats a Mantle!



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[irv]

Originally Posted by Popcorn

Jackie’s are the new “mantle” and it’s good to see.

He does not have very many cards and they are blowing up.

His 52 topps prices are on par with mantles in recent years and I think they will only go up.

I agree, and like many others have also said, it is highly unlikely his cards will ever come back down to where they once were.

Adding to my original post, did anyone else notice the price disparity between these 2 52 Topps SGC 7 Mays cards?
I assume this has everything to do with centering, both front and back, but I honestly didn't think the 2 prices would be this far apart on equally graded cards.
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=80073
https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=80076

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by bks14sr

From my experiences with my hunt/purchases, the Mathews is multiples more than the Campy (typically 2-3x). My Ex Campy was 1600 late last year, while Mathews cards were in the 5-8k range for same grade and time frame. I definitely wouldn’t say 52T Campy values have fallen, still well beyond their average. 16k is ridiculous for a VG/EX Mathews, Centered or not. But I think all current sales are ridiculous and not an accurate metric for real value.

Sounds like we were both hunting and buying the same cards around the same time. During the Dec 2020 through the March 2021 time period, a 52 Campy PSA 5sold for $6k and a 52 Mathews PSA 5 sold for $5k. Outside of the past 4 months, I would agree with your statement that a 407 card would normally out sell a 314 card in the same grade by at least two times. However, the market is just not normal now and is completely unsettled.

[Exhibitman]

I'm happy with my cheap Campy



and Jackie



And Pee Wee



And Minnie



Gus thinks it is OK