PSA 8 1960 Clay Exhibit??

Exhibitman · #1 04-16-2021, 12:41 PM

I have all three, plus a glossy 'slick' meant to be pasted to a machine header card. My best info is that the set was issued in green first, then sepia, then black and white, so the greenies are the earliest.

As far as I know the green Exhibit is the first American Clay card issue. However, I still believe that the Hemmets is the rookie card and the 1962 Rekord probably predated the green Exhibit as well. I'd guesstimate that the Exhibit was followed by the Chocolat Simon and MacRobertson in 1964, then a wave from Europe in 1965 (Peretti, Lampo, orange background Swedish chocolate, Dutch Serie MLH). Also the Argentine 'pog' Clay which PSA dates as 1962 but which has a photo taken on June 18, 1963 (PSA wrong again...I am shocked), so not. 1966 we have the first Panini Clay and also the Mundo de Fantasia from Argentina.

BTW, can you see the difference between these two cards?

Both are blank backed. They look the same to me.

The Nasty Nati · #2 04-16-2021, 04:02 PM

Thanks for the clarification Exhibitman.

I'm not surprised this Exhibit card is starting to get more attention as it's his first American rookie card. Not only that but it seems to be his first true card that didn't need to be cut out of a magazine like the Hemmets and Rekford as it predates the Chocolate Simon.

What irks me about the 1960 Hemmets is that the backs don't line up when cut out, making me think those were never intended to be cut out like cards.

If the 1925 Exhibits RC Lou Gehrig is now getting a lot of love maybe the 1962/63 Exhibits Ali will too.

scooter729 · #3 04-16-2021, 04:22 PM

Adam, I'm still trying to figure out why those two Clay cards got a 2.5 and a 3 - how am I supposed to tell any differences?!

Arazi4442 · #4 09-25-2023, 08:05 PM

Bumping this old post for two reasons. Discussion about Ali/Clay RCs and also a couple posts about PSA dating accuracy.

Curious as to people’s thoughts on this auction. I’m always on the lookout for early Ali but never considered a bid on this one. How can it be dated to 1960 when he didn’t change his name until 1964. (I believe)

Seems like a solid price but if this was a true 1960 RC, I suspect it would’ve gone for much, much more.

Anyone with any insight to this card/issue?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175907937455

Peter_Spaeth · #5 09-25-2023, 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

Bumping this old post for two reasons. Discussion about Ali/Clay RCs and also a couple posts about PSA dating accuracy.

Curious as to people’s thoughts on this auction. I’m always on the lookout for early Ali but never considered a bid on this one. How can it be dated to 1960 when he didn’t change his name until 1964. (I believe)

Seems like a solid price but if this was a true 1960 RC, I suspect it would’ve gone for much, much more.

Anyone with any insight to this card/issue?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175907937455

That's a 1965 issue. Or later. There are several different Clays in the issue, which is under the Dutch Gum umbrella, serie M.L.H. Labelling mistake by PSA generates absurd money. No way it goes that high if properly labelled IMO.

Here's another.
https://milehighcardco.com/c__1965_6...-LOT78411.aspx

And
https://milehighcardco.com/c__1965_6...-LOT78408.aspx

And the very card in question.
https://www.milehighcardco.com/LotDe...entoryid=77552

Arazi4442 · #6 09-25-2023, 09:01 PM

Thanks for the explanation, Peter!

Boy, that is a huge labeling issue from PSA. Good news is it may not cost anyone. Just noticed the card is re-listed (relisted twice! As another auction and BIN)

Peter_Spaeth · #7 09-25-2023, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

Thanks for the explanation, Peter!

Boy, that is a huge labeling issue from PSA. Good news is it may not cost anyone. Just noticed the card is re-listed (relisted twice! As another auction and BIN)

Someone is obviously playing games here.

D. Bergin · #8 09-25-2023, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arazi4442

Bumping this old post for two reasons. Discussion about Ali/Clay RCs and also a couple posts about PSA dating accuracy.

Curious as to people�s thoughts on this auction. I�m always on the lookout for early Ali but never considered a bid on this one. How can it be dated to 1960 when he didn�t change his name until 1964. (I believe)

Seems like a solid price but if this was a true 1960 RC, I suspect it would�ve gone for much, much more.

Anyone with any insight to this card/issue?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/175907937455

That's awful. Somebody got fooled.

Exhibitman · #9 09-26-2023, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

That's awful. Somebody got fooled.

Yeah, the dumbasses at PSA. The poor winner could've gotten a nice early Clay item for that money.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 09-26-2023, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Yeah, the dumbasses at PSA. The poor winner could've gotten a nice early Clay item for that money.

I don't think it really sold.

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