Warning: SGC - A Factory Miscut = Miscut = "A" Grade

[wazoo]

Just had the same issue

[glynparson]

Good for SGC I agree with this decision 100%.

[edhans]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Good for SGC I agree with this decision 100%.

On what grounds, Glyn? That AB Street is off center, no doubt; but certainly appears to be full sized. But why, after thirty years of assigning numerical grades to off center and even miscut cards, is this no longer worthy of a number grade? PSA would (usually) assign a qualifier, while SGCs practice would generally have been to reduce the number grade. If this is indeed a change in policy, SGC owes us a far more detailed explanation than they gave Cliff. In my view, a far more likely explanation is inexperience and incompetence.

[Chesbro41]

SGC is "Authentic" happy. I got this one in, pretty sure it's full size/no paper loss with some beat up/compressed corners. Also had a Zeenut full size come back trimmed because it was missing the coupon (I believe). So they either have new graders that are learning or are hyper aware of all the trimming going on and have maybe tightened up too far.

It's hard as a vintage collector to send in cards full size for 25-75 bucks a pop and have them come back this way when there are thousands in the market with numbers on them. These vintage cards just weren't kept the same. If a card was trimmed and not meant to be hand cut it should 100% be A, but this is a whole new ballgame they are playing. They need refunds or qualifiers.

[tedzan]

Hi Cliff

Regarding your T206 card of Street (AMERICAN BEAUTY 350).....crack it out of its plastic and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA).

There is a good likelihood that it will come back graded with a NUMBER. That card is very sharp and deserves a high grade.

I'm talking from experience with SGC. As, I have done exactly this with T206 AB cards that I acquired which were originally
Graded "A" (SGC or PSA) And were converted to graded cards numbered grades (5, 6, or 7's) upon re-submission.

It's worth the try.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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[obcmac]

I think SGC got it mostly right. A number grade should indicate standard dimensions for the card. So T201s or T202's with the wavy cut should all be "Authentic". The problem is that they don't distinguish between authentic and altered. These are all unaltered, but I don't think they should have number grades. The t206 is tougher...but looks like an unusual left border (though it's hard to tell from scan. The issue is particular annoying in t207s as well where unusual factory cuts garner lots of A's.

Mac

[Ronnie73]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Hi Cliff

Regarding your T206 card of Street (AMERICAN BEAUTY 350).....crack it out of its plastic and re-submit it to SGC (or PSA).

There is a good likelihood that it will come back graded with a NUMBER. That card is very sharp and deserves a high grade.

I'm talking from experience with SGC. As, I have done exactly this with T206 AB cards that I acquired which were originally
Graded "A" (SGC or PSA) And were converted to graded cards numbered grades (5, 6, or 7's) upon re-submission.

It's worth the try.


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Ted is right. It's also a great strategy to get some really nice high value cards at a fraction of their value. But you gotta know what to look for.

[Rich Klein]

I believe Glyn is the only one who has posted on this thread who has actually graded cards for a TPG so I'd like to hear more of why he believes that. Perhaps it is supposed to be a policy, and if so, that makes a ton of sense.

Rich

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Good for SGC I agree with this decision 100%.

Completely disagree. They made a bad decision.
And I agree with Ed. It is nothing more than the incompetence that soured me on them.

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[Ronnie73]

It's as if they are looking at miscuts as a type of Scrap card which always gets an "A" from SGC. My legit T206 Scraps from PSA come back as Authentic Altered. I wish they'd at least put Authentic No Print since that's how they are listed in their population report.

Both companies claim to be experts in the topic of sportscards and memorabilia but sometimes it's as if they have no idea what they are looking at. Then it's identified wrong, added to their population report wrong, adding unneeded stress to the collector, additional down time for the item if they even agree to fix the mistake or modify the label and population report correctly. But with the cost of the grading and the amount of time they have your cards, you'd think everything would be done correctly without having to ask for something to be done correctly. Maybe it matters who you are and how much business you do with them. I've put off grading for the last ten years, waiting for the right reason and deal to have everything done. Until then, it sure makes storing them much easier.

15 plus years ago, I sent PSA 5 cards to be graded as part of the bonus when signing up for the membership. 4 of the 5 cards came back graded and labeled correctly. I contacted them and they said they'd fix the problem, but I haven't bothered yet. So one of my 1984 Topps Mattingly's is labeled as a Tiffany when it isn't. I don't like problems, and usually fix everything myself. I hate getting anyone else involved in my problems. I've always been that way, with the mindset of, if you want something done right, you got to do it yourself. The only problem I've run into is doing surgery on myself when I need to be under anesthesia. But I'm sure to prep everyone in the operating room from what IV needle to use, the vein and exact location of entry, angle, and depth. The meds and the order, incision locations and what extras to expect that are not in the general book. They either love me or hate to see me. My most often used quote when dealing with doctors, nurses, pharmacists, and everyone in between is "I shouldn't be right this many times about things, it's not my job to be right at your job, I've got 10+ other jobs to be right about." I'm even more concerned about the other patients that don't know any better and I'm in the next bed over, observing and listening. I've had to open my mouth multiple times because something was about to be done wrong. I've even literally been in arguments with the complete chain of command in a hospital about a medication that was labeled and boxed wrong, spending a full day trying to get someone to listen to me while demanding every level of employment until someone finally contacted the manufacture and found out the wrong medication was labeled, packed, boxed, and shipped to who knows how many hospitals around the country and then them trying to track all of it and who ended up getting the wrong thing throughout the country. I got a few visits from what looked to be high level payed people, asking how I knew it was wrong, even when the computers and everyone else promised it was right. A couple of those people even asked what my favorite foods were, during conversation. I had prime rib and lobster for dinner in the hospital a couple nights during my stay. When I hear that someone got sick with something new to them, I tell them to educate yourself as much as you possibly can and pay attention to everything and ask lots of questions. Sorry for the rant everyone lol By the way, I'm a certified auto technician and electrician. Not a surgeon but have recommendations by many people in the medical field. I just don't enjoy being around sick people because I don't like to see people suffer.