Any new news on The National??

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by Seven

Not to turn this into an argument, I do think that what Florida and Texas have done is a little premature. I do think the National happens, the Vaccine is becoming more and more available. I can only speak for myself though, as someone that's fully vaccinated, and whose parents are also, I'm comfortable going to a show.

Does the flu vaccine eradicate that illness every winter? Do you think this vaccine will work next time? Will you get a vaccination for each new illness that comes around every yr without FDA research which generally takes yrs to do for one drug? I honestly ask these questions because I do not even get a flu shot.

With an almost 100% recovery rate for healthy individuals, it is possible the long term side effects from the vaccine will be more dangerous than the actual illness.

As a pure business decision it makes sense to move the National to a free state and then let people choose. If you are comfortable with it go, if not don't. It is then your personal choice and not the government telling you what you can and can't do. And I really need another excuse to hop on a plane to FL

[perezfan]

I would definitely attend if they move it to FL or TX (and announced it with decent lead-time). Or better yet, Vegas...

I am with you... move it to a free state so people can plan their travel in advance. July isn't really that far off. Why wait for a last minute announcement on the status while trying to comply with a state that renders this Convention to be 50/50 at best?

And from a dealer's point of view, I would much rather set-up at an unrestricted convention than one with 25% capacity limitations. Seems like it wouldn't even be worth the cost of travel, booth fees, etc. Those who are not comfortable are free to stay home, and those who want to attend could do so.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Gnep31

Does the flu vaccine eradicate that illness every winter? Do you think this vaccine will work next time? Will you get a vaccination for each new illness that comes around every yr without FDA research which generally takes yrs to do for one drug? I honestly ask these questions because I do not even get a flu shot.

With an almost 100% recovery rate for healthy individuals, it is possible the long term side effects from the vaccine will be more dangerous than the actual illness.

As a pure business decision it makes sense to move the National to a free state and then let people choose. If you are comfortable with it go, if not don't. It is then your personal choice and not the government telling you what you can and can't do. And I really need another excuse to hop on a plane to FL

Agree 100%

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

Agree 100%

Not to start an argument (I'm all for common sense precautions), but COVID and the FLU are apples and oranges comparisons.

I'm predicting and hoping enough vaccinations by July and major drops in daily infection rates that IL will be able to lift occupancy restrictions and the Natty will go off like it's 1999. Dealers should be prepared to leave with stacks of cash. Will be fun to see.

[68Hawk]

Well, considering people want to share they're toxic politcally dividing opinons - you can have mine.

I now hope that the Convention ONLY ever happens in Chicago, and that organizers require ALL attendants present Covid vaccination records before allowing them to enter.
That way I can enjoy my cards and not your asymptomatic virus shedding selves that may not kill me but perhaps unwittingly pass along to and kill my in-laws or low immunity suffering son.

Yay, now we all get to be honest joes.

[Republicaninmass]

Boy, some of us really have to tune out the media and start thinking for ourselves.


on a lighter note..
Traditionally prices have been higher in person than on ebay, the National could be "new world records", however money does have to change hands eventually.

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Well, considering people want to share they're toxic politcally dividing opinons - you can have mine.

I now hope that the Convention ONLY ever happens in Chicago, and that organizers require ALL attendants present Covid vaccination records before allowing them to enter.
That way I can enjoy my cards and not your asymptomatic virus shedding selves that may not kill me but perhaps unwittingly pass along to and kill my in-laws or low immunity suffering son.

Yay, now we all get to be honest joes.

"Toxic politcally dividing opinons"??
The Net54 most ridiculous and exaggerated statement award goes to...


Why not take the two seconds and actually READ what you wrote before you post, spelling is important.... or is that also a politically motivated statement??? lol

[packs]

I won't be going to the National this year. I haven't been able to get comfortable with the idea of sitting down in a restaurant yet. I would like to go next year if it's back in AC though.

[Frank A]

Originally Posted by packs

I won't be going to the National this year. I haven't been able to get comfortable with the idea of sitting down in a restaurant yet. I would like to go next year if it's back in AC though.

Or staying in a hotel room. Who knows who the last 50 people who stayed there were and if the room was cleaned properly.

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by 68Hawk

Well, considering people want to share they're toxic politcally dividing opinons - you can have mine.

I now hope that the Convention ONLY ever happens in Chicago, and that organizers require ALL attendants present Covid vaccination records before allowing them to enter.
That way I can enjoy my cards and not your asymptomatic virus shedding selves that may not kill me but perhaps unwittingly pass along to and kill my in-laws or low immunity suffering son.

Yay, now we all get to be honest joes.

Why is a civil conversation about the National "toxic politically dividing opinions"?

Debating and talking about issues is a good thing! Taking verbal shots adds nothing to what could be an educated discussion between intelligent members of this collecting community.

I am making a point based on basic economics. It would make more sense economically, for all dealers, to move the show to a state w/out restrictions. It is then our choice to attend or not. Even if many like yourself do not choose to attend, the show would likely still have more total attendance than if in a locked down state.

Many, many millions of us will not get vaccinated. I don't judge those like yourself, or my parents or other loved ones with medical issues who have received it. I hope it works, I really do, but when my friends in the pharma industry are refusing to take it....I have some educated doubts...but again it is your right to choose, just as it is mine.

[jayshum]

Originally Posted by Gnep31

Why is a civil conversation about the National "toxic politically dividing opinions"?

Debating and talking about issues is a good thing! Taking verbal shots adds nothing to what could be an educated discussion between intelligent members of this collecting community.

I am making a point based on basic economics. It would make more sense economically, for all dealers, to move the show to a state w/out restrictions. It is then our choice to attend or not. Even if many like yourself do not choose to attend, the show would likely still have more total attendance than if in a locked down state.

Many, many millions of us will not get vaccinated. I don't judge those like yourself, or my parents or other loved ones with medical issues who have received it. I hope it works, I really do, but when my friends in the pharma industry are refusing to take it....I have some educated doubts...but again it is your right to choose, just as it is mine.

I work in the pharma industry (not for any company with a vaccine so no financial connection to people being vaccinated). No one I know in the pharma industry is refusing to take it, and my company is strongly encouraging our employees to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Just curious for the reasons your friends in pharma are refusing to.

[Gnep31]

Originally Posted by jayshum

I work in the pharma industry (not for any company with a vaccine so no financial connection to people being vaccinated). No one I know in the pharma industry is refusing to take it, and my company is strongly encouraging our employees to get vaccinated as soon as possible. Just curious for the reasons your friends in pharma are refusing to.

Lack of research is the main reason. They tell me it would normally take years for all of the research to be done properly and for the FDA to sign off.