Carl Horner Cabinets

[detroitbaseball]

Originally Posted by sb1

Kid Speer, he only played in the Majors in 1909. Pitched in 12 games with a 4-4 record.

Thanks for the info. I've never heard of him so naturally I had to look him up on Baseball-Reference.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/p...peerki01.shtml

[detroitbaseball]

Ty Cobb
Kid Elberfeld
Rube Kisinger
Charles Schmidt
Kid Speer

Does anyone know of any other Detroit Tigers Carl Horner cabinets? Is there a checklist of known cabinets?

The Kid Elberfeld & Rube Kisinger cabinets are not mine. I found these pics on the internet.

[Bpm0014]

I have a George Mullin. Just the Horner pic; sans cabinet.

[bgar3]

My information on the Horner cabinets is dated, mostly from the the 80’s and 90’s, and my memory may be faulty, but here are some random recollections
They were always considered to be among the best if not the best photographs.
There are many different types and colors of mounts.
There are several presentation team pieces, the earliest I remember are the 1903 Pirates and Boston, (possibly 1904 also), and the entire American League from 1903 (I think Leon owns this)
In light of the above, I think all the Detroit team from that time period exist
I have seen multiple cabinets of stars and regular players
Hornets seemed to really begin to be more recognized and popular during and after the Baseball Magazine Christie sale where I think Walter Johnson was the first lot and blew past all the estimates. There were so many Horners in the sale they were included in lots.
The “premimium” above is most likely cut from one of the presentation pieces. I have seen several of the A’s over time.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by bgar3

Horners seemed to really begin to be more recognized and popular during and after the Baseball Magazine Christie sale where I think Walter Johnson was the first lot and blew past all the estimates. There were so many Horners in the sale they were included in lots.

There were many Horner cabinets in the 1996 Chrisite's sale of the Photographic Archives of the Baseball Magazine. Some were sold as individual lots and many others were included in larger lots. Walter Johnson was sold individually, but it was lot 243. Wager was also, but was part of the Sports Memorabilia sale the following day. The Famous T206 Wagner was lot 717 and the Horner of Wagner was lot 718. Other lots featuring individual Horner cabinets included Collins, Young in a unique pitching pose, Walsh, Joss, Tinker, Chance, Griffith, Brown and Chance.

Most sold in the $1,000 to $2,000 range. Johnson was $3,450 and Wagner $23,000.

[drcy]

They are rare. For most players, I would imagine the population report is 1-3.

Follow the auctions and you will see them for sale. While each image is rare, there is a wide variety out there.

[bgar3]

Thanks for filling in the facts Kevin. I was there and the buzz in the room was incredible when the Johnson sold, not sure what the estimate was, but it was way below that number. Was I correct that it was the first lot?
I also know there were Horners that were not even listed in lots.

[sb1]

Another Tiger for your checklist Couhglin

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by bgar3

Thanks for filling in the facts Kevin. I was there and the buzz in the room was incredible when the Johnson sold, not sure what the estimate was, but it was way below that number. Was I correct that it was the first lot?
I also know there were Horners that were not even listed in lots.

Johnson and the rest of the individual Horners (except Wagner) were in the middle of the first session on Saturday. Johnson sold for $3,450 vs an estimate of $1,000 to $1,500.

The Wagner was in the middle of the second day and sold for $23,000 - 10X the estimate of $2,000 to $3,000.

The #1 lot in the sale was the photo used for Mantle's 1951 Bowman card.

And yes, there were quite a few Horner cabinets included in lots where they were not even specifically listed.