CGC Jumping into card grading?

[WillBBC]

SGC's been grading modern cards since at least the late 90s. What am I missing?

[honus94566]

Grading is such a subjective undertaking, anyone who thinks that a new company in the mix is going to "solve" any of these problems is incredibly naive. Grading is a shitshow, it's always been a shitshow, and it'll always be a shitshow.

It's collectors that put so much emphasis on and importance on grading. It makes zero logical sense. The same card, graded "2" with fantastic eye appeal sells for ~ $1500, while a "7" grade sells for ~ $14000? That's just stupid. The joke's on us, as collectors and buyers. Especially when we find out all the doctoring and turning a blind eye that goes on.

I have a few higher graded cards but almost exclusively collect ungraded or lower grades, why pay more for the same damn thing? Especially when I collect to collect, not because I am worried about the future values of my cards as investments.

[prestigecollectibles]

Link to their You Tube promotional video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTXinbWhyVQ

[honus94566]

Eww, are those the holders? The label is way too big, takes away from the card. SGC holders are still by far, the best looking IMO.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by honus94566

Grading is such a subjective undertaking, anyone who thinks that a new company in the mix is going to "solve" any of these problems is incredibly naive. Grading is a shitshow, it's always been a shitshow, and it'll always be a shitshow.

It's collectors that put so much emphasis on and importance on grading. It makes zero logical sense. The same card, graded "2" with fantastic eye appeal sells for ~ $1500, while a "7" grade sells for ~ $14000? That's just stupid. The joke's on us, as collectors and buyers. Especially when we find out all the doctoring and turning a blind eye that goes on.

I have a few higher graded cards but almost exclusively collect ungraded or lower grades, why pay more for the same damn thing? Especially when I collect to collect, not because I am worried about the future values of my cards as investments.

Well said.... I feel exactly the same.

I've always said it's "The Emperor's New Clothes" and that the joke is on us. Shouldn't the owner of the card be the one to assess it? Why would one care what some random, overworked, and highly questionable stranger thinks? I've seen beautiful cards graded "1", while out of focus/blurry/ugly cards get "7s". Their criteria is flawed, as are their assessment skills.

I know... the majority of the PSA apologists are Registry people, Dealers and Flippers. They're making money hand over fist, so they don't want to bite the corrupt hand that feeds them and remain silent.

That said... I'm willing to give this new grading company a fair shot, in the spirit of "innocent until proven guilty". I just hope they do two things before the actual product is introduced...

1. De-emphasize the Flip. The flips pictured are way too large, too bright, and detract aesthetically from the card itself.

2. List the actual measurements/dimensions of the card on the reverse side of the Flip. In the current environment (with so many bad cards changing hands) that might be the most important criteria they can provide.

[bbcard1]

After seeing holder/flip, I am pronouncing them dead on arrival. I do appreciate their support of Net54 through.

[OldOriole]

It's a hard pass for me. I don't like the holders or the labels. The lack of a recessed area for the card corners is concerning (maybe that will be addressed, but why not address is in your promotional pics about the HOLDER?). Competition is a good thing and I wish them well, but I'll be sticking with SGC.

[pclpads]

Those are butt-ugly flips. I venture it will take them years - if ever! - for cards in their slabs to realize the same sale prices as the equivalent grade of a same card in a PSA holder. Everybody sez, "well, it's for my PC." Face it. Down the road we all will be selling, or willing our "PC" due to health issues or demise. When that happens, I believe PSA holdered cards will still realize the biggest gains for you or your estate / survivors. If they are still around in 5-10 years, let's look in and see how CSG has fared. For now, they are just the new kid on the block. Nothing more . . .

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

After seeing holder/flip, I am pronouncing them dead on arrival. I do appreciate their support of Net54 through.

I strongly doubt anything is set in stone right now concerning the flips. They read our forum so keep giving feedback. I think hobbyists, by and large, will be pleased with what they see.

From the comments I have read in this thread, and what I know and can't really say right now, I think a lot of our members will be very pleased, even the naysayers.

And the incorrectly labeled cards above will be put in new holders when the new company starts accepting submissions.
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[Brian Van Horn]

Overkill.

[68Hawk]

Case looks nice enough to me....I'm a Beckett fan in terms of cases and love clear plastic around the card.
Flip design is fine but the area devoted to it looks to be around 27-28% of the entire slab. Kinda makes a sizeable card like a 52' Topps looks small and de-emphasizes it.
Grading information is important, but the card should be the star.