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I guess my definition (and the one I try to use in building my own collection) is that the original/error needs to have been "meant" to be printed that way - whether intentionally (e.g. the '74 Washingtons, which is very rare) or absentmindedly (e.g. the '79 Wills, '91 Topps Comstock, '89 UD Murphy, or most inaccurate data on the reverse), vs. something that happened as part of the printing process itself - the NNOF Thomas, the '89 Upper Deck Sheridan (partially obscured "OF"), etc.).
The more I think about this, the more I suspect the 90 Martinez is in the latter category. |
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While the 1990 Topps NNOF was created by accident due to a flaw in the creation of its black printing plate, the print run associated with it did have its dedicated set of printing plates and many other cards within that run have unique variations that are only found in that brief print run. It is likely close to 1000 identical copies exist before it was corrected. Since it had its own set of plates I believe it should have its own category as a variation within the set. The term "printing defect" does not accurately define the true causation of the error, in my opinion. The paradox of error/variation collecting is the rarer the error is, the more valuable, but at a certain point some cards become too rare to achieve hobby recognition. It is what was very astutely termed the "event horizon" of population count. https://not.fangraphs.com/the-error-...oples-history/ "The card, a 1990 Fleer Dave Martinez, turned out to be so rare that it was never listed in any of the major price guides, even well after the turn of the millennium. Though the internet has finally confirmed their collective existence, it’s still unclear how many copies of the card exist, and they’re sold so rarely that there’s no way to know how much they’re worth. This is the event horizon of the error card: at some point a card becomes so rare that it becomes invisible, and therefore worthless. And so the card, with its very yellow 90, will sit in my garage, waiting for the day when the remaining collectors convene and decide that it’s worth buying. And when that day comes, I’ll have finally won that trade I made twenty years ago." Am I quoting back a participator in this thread? This was a great article and I quite enjoyed reading it. I would note that another paradox of error and variation collecting is that if you bring more recognition to a certain error card, you increase the odds that some will surface, but you also increase the chances that someone else will outbid you for it. |
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For what it's worth, two have sold on eBay, the highest one going for $60 in 2016. Can't determine what the other one sold for.
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That's interesting, seems that the author may have won that trade after all. I just thought it was quite fitting that the article that this thread brought back to my memory from 7 years ago was based around the very card the thread is centered around.
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I meant to say "sold on COMC" FWIW if someone tries to look up the past eBay sales. I did not, so there might be more sale prices if you look them up with PWCC's tool.
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-- PWCC: The Fish Stinks From the Head PSA: Regularly Get Cheated BGS: Can't detect trimming on modern SGC: Closed auto authentication business JSA: Approved same T206 Autos before SGC Oh, what a difference a year makes. |
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That said, I feel certain that a small chunk of 1990 Fleer printed with an obstruction to the magenta plate where the ‘90 would strike. All cards were printed with yellow and magenta to produce the red ‘90. It’s also perhaps worth noting that Fleer utilized two separate printing facilities for this product and from all research I’ve compiled, this card only came from specific packaging type from one of the two. In other words, this card wasn’t simply an “early correction” but instead, a correction made to a very specific chunk of the run, isolated from the rest.
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Good to know. The article appeared on Fangraphs which is more targeted at the sabermetric community so the writer was probably just not aware of more niche publications like the Dick Gilkeson guide. It's nice to know that some more obscure variations like the 90 Fleer Martinez have gained a hobby following! |
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A related variation exists from the set but in very limited quantities (word is just a few cut sheets) that shows no ‘90 on the front of several Baltimore Orioles cards which are otherwise correctly printed. Just the Fleer portion of the logo. All mentions I’ve seen over the years refer to them as “stolen.” Many more than that have sold. Especially since 2016. I’m pretty sure I’ve sold 4-5 copies between 2006-2012 and another 2-3 since 2016. Not to mention the dozen or so I’ve seen pop up in my eBay searches. Prices have ranged between $60-150 for me.
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I have a Topps 1980 Jeff King 454 with an all yellow back. It was at one time listed by Lemke in the SCD Catalog but I believe he removed it from latter editions....maybe after he read Dylan's Junk Wax Gems section arguing it does not belong in such catalogs
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-Fleer-...53.m1438.l2649
Until I began analyzing this and reading everyone's thoughts, I was going to pursue this...no longer, so if anyone is interested, a Martinez yellow '90 closes tonight. |
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From the scans I've seen, there isn't a way to tell exactly where the problem happened. A defective plate is the most likely explanation, and that by its nature would affect only a small portion of one print run that was probably destined for a particular packaging. Outside the factory, It's usually hard to tell if that defect came from a poorly made mask, or an obstruction in the platemaking. With large flaws like the Thomas NNOF and the related cards, it becomes obvious that something was in the way when the plate was made. For small flaws, it may not be possible to tell. Once it was noticed, a correct plate would be made for the magenta, and production would continue. Someday when I have a high res scan or the actual card, I might be able to rule out a couple options. |
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I can 100% rule out fading because I have faded a 90 Fleer to compare it to some cool 1990 Fleer color variations I have. https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...hlight=canseco There is a close up scan of a faded "90" in this thread. |
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