Will this stock market madness affect cards?

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Again you are trying to fit a narrative. The pushing of the new drugs were 'what do you have to lose drugs' and by the time he was pushing that he was also talking about loss of human life being a main thing to avoid. So you cant pick and choose a timeline on one issue without correcting the other.

You know, it is possible to hold several thoughts in sequence and, get this, even at the same time. Everything in my previous post, save the mention of gross incompetence, is a verifiable fact. I even provided links for you to see for yourself. If stating what is objectively true is pushing a narrative, then the word fact has no meaning. Though, I have to say this is the first time I've met a nihilist out in the wild.

Also talk is different then actions. The Easter thing about some parts of the country being open was a thought, perhaps that was against experts advice, but it doesnt look there will be any action on that.

Saying there is gross incompetence is actually political when there a large group that would disagree.

When you are the President of the United States, words matter. Here is an article talking about the responses of the various states to the outbreak. It is a good jumping off point for determining when the various states put in measures to slow the spread of the disease and the severity of those measures.

To *now* make this political, you may want to look at the states that were slower to respond and have put in the less stringent measures. You'll find something interesting about their party affiliation. Words matter.

Can say there are problems and mistakes but when throwing around all or nothing descriptions, it looks political.

As far as your assertion that mistakes were made, that is true. Huge, deadly mistakes were made that went directly against the advise of public health experts. And, yes, experts can be wrong. But, in this case, they were right, and the difference of experiences between the US and South Korea that someone posted about earlier is instructive. John Hopkins maintains an up to date coronavirus website that allows you do drill down into the data. It's interesting to compare and contrast the charts in the lower right hand side for the US and South Korea. It shows what would have been possible if someone here had listened to the experts from the git-go. Korea has experienced 3.3 deaths for every million residents so far and the spread of the disease is slowing. The US has experienced 15.6 deaths per million and the spread of the disease is accelerating. This is all verifiable fact. Expertise matters.

[1952boyntoncollector]

p to date coronavirus website that allows you do drill down into the data. It's interesting to compare and contrast the charts in the lower right hand side for the US and South Korea. It shows what would have been possible if someone here had listened to the experts from the git-go. Korea has experienced 3.3 deaths for every million residents so far and the spread of the disease is slowing. The US has experienced 15.6 deaths per million and the spread of the disease is accelerating. This is all verifiable fact. Expertise matters.[/QUOTE]

So lets say s. korea does the best but USA is 2nd best of all countries in the world in regards to the objective numbers, does that make it gross incompetence? The buffalo bills went to 4 super bowls and lost them all but they were far from the worst team in those years..

[carlsonjok]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

So lets say s. korea does the best but USA is 2nd best of all countries in the world in regards to the objective numbers, does that make it gross incompetence?

A 5x difference in death rates between #1 and #2 would certainly lend credence to the words of a great philosopher that "If you're not first, your last." But, if you want to make the case that the American response is the second best, have at it. I'd be interested in seeing that.

The buffalo bills went to 4 super bowls and lost them all but they were far from the worst team in those years..

Ouch. You really know how to hit a guy where it hurts. I was a Bills fan for years and those 4 straight losses hurt. Badly.