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Old 02-04-2020, 01:17 PM
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I feel Walter Johnson though Matty is very close. I think Matty has a bit of mystique that keeps his value on par with Johnson. Young is up there too but the one thing he lacks is not getting elected in the first hof election that Johnson, Matty, Cobb, Ruth and Speaker recieved. That doesnt mean Young is any worse that's just the only thing I can think of that might lower his value from the others.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:20 PM
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IMO in hobby lore and baseball purists, Matty.

To the average fan, Young, for obvious reasons.

I seem to remember many years ago, WaJo was spoken of in more glorified terms that Matty. But that seems to have shifted (IMO) in the last, say, ten years.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:21 PM
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Very valid point. The way these fellas arms held up and their consistency in a era where batters looked for base hits and to move runners to manufacture runs is really under appreciated.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:42 PM
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If we're talking T206, then I think it's: Young, Matty, then Johnson. It might in part with Young having the highest single card value in his iconic portrait card. I wish Walter had 1 more card in the set to bring him even with Young & Matty at 3 each.
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Old 02-04-2020, 01:50 PM
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Default T206 is what I’m collecting but def interested one general discussion also.

I have Dark and White Cap Matty, Glove Showing Young and Ive yet to find the Johnson that fits my tastes and budget. I’ll def be excited to have a copy of each three this year however.
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Matty. He just has the classic look. And the tragic demise.
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WaJo is king when it comes to their respective T206's. Matty is beloved by purists but his cards lag behind both in most mainstream contemporary sets where they're all subjects.
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Wajo, he was better.
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I think if you walked up to the average baseball fan who knows about the history of the game, and told them you had an opportunity to buy one of their cards, without being specific, they would suggest Johnson, then Young, then Mathewson. Young gets a huge boost because of the award named after him.
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I feel Walter Johnson though Matty is very close. I think Matty has a bit of mystique that keeps his value on par with Johnson. Young is up there too but the one thing he lacks is not getting elected in the first hof election that Johnson, Matty, Cobb, Ruth and Speaker recieved. That doesnt mean Young is any worse that's just the only thing I can think of that might lower his value from the others.
It was Cobb, Ruth, Wagner, Matty, and Walter, in that order.
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To me, collectibility:
1. Young
2. Tie between Johnson and Mathewson

Skill level:
1. Johnson
2. Mathewson
3. Young

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I think Young is deserving of the most admiration, with Mathewson a close second...
... and Johnson a distant third.
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... and Johnson a distant third.

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Should be WaJo, but it's Matty.
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Am I crazy? Doesn't the Johnson routinely sell for more than any of the Mattys?
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It was Cobb, Ruth, Wagner, Matty, and Walter, in that order.
Ruth and Wagner tied. I would say Cy Young gets the most hobby love. He wasn't elected in 1936 because there was confusion over the voting. There were 2 votes, pre 1900 players and post 1900 players. The voters were confused over which group Young belonged in and split his vote resulting in him being short in both. Between having the pitching award named for him and his high WAR, I don't see that changing. Wojo is a close 2nd with Matty 3rd.
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Ruth and Wagner tied. I would say Cy Young gets the most hobby love. He wasn't elected in 1936 because there was confusion over the voting. There were 2 votes, pre 1900 players and post 1900 players. The voters were confused over which group Young belonged in and split his vote resulting in him being short in both. Between having the pitching award named for him and his high WAR, I don't see that changing. Wojo is a close 2nd with Matty 3rd.
That's very interesting about the HOF voting. I had no idea...thanks for that!
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Ruth and Wagner tied. I would say Cy Young gets the most hobby love. He wasn't elected in 1936 because there was confusion over the voting. There were 2 votes, pre 1900 players and post 1900 players. The voters were confused over which group Young belonged in and split his vote resulting in him being short in both. Between having the pitching award named for him and his high WAR, I don't see that changing. Wojo is a close 2nd with Matty 3rd.
I was unaware of this as well. Thanks for the info. Keep it coming I’m interested in the varying opinions.
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A T206 WaJo portrait will outsell a Cy Young as well. I'm not really seeing the counter argument for any seeding other than WaJo / Young / Matty.
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A T206 WaJo portrait will outsell a Cy Young as well. I'm not really seeing the counter argument for any seeding other than WaJo / Young / Matty.
This is because you are looking at a single set...believe it or not there is more to pre-WW2 cards than the T206 set. Crazy, but true!

Keep in mind the T206 set is from the earliest part of Walter Johnson's career while it is Cy Young's 20th year in Major League baseball, it would make sense that the card of a young superstar player would command more than the last card of another superstar. Even Christy Mathewson had items that predate the T206 set by 8 years. I would expect the T206 of a young WaJo to outperform the other two.

Looking at a single set and trying to extrapolate from that is too facile a comparison to get a true idea for relative value/demand.
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Ruth and Wagner tied. I would say Cy Young gets the most hobby love. He wasn't elected in 1936 because there was confusion over the voting. There were 2 votes, pre 1900 players and post 1900 players. The voters were confused over which group Young belonged in and split his vote resulting in him being short in both. Between having the pitching award named for him and his high WAR, I don't see that changing. Wojo is a close 2nd with Matty 3rd.

Wow! Love learning something new. This should be a bonus question on some baseball trivia game.

Young
WaJo
Matty

They all studs, but that would be my order
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I agree with this list.

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Wow! Love learning something new. This should be a bonus question on some baseball trivia game.

Young
WaJo
Matty

They all studs, but that would be my order
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