Name that card...T213-2 sheet layout and distribution by year

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

there are two different printings from 1914.

Thanks for all the info on Murray. Very interesting stuff. It makes set collecting more fun when I learn about the careers of the players.

In general, and anecdotally, from collecting the set, 1914 cards are the most commonly found. For example, if you find a T213-2 Frank Chance, it will most likely be his New York Portrait. For some reason, his New York batting card is as hard to find, as his 1916 LA Port & Batting cards.

I think you are right that 1914 was the year that they printed the most cards. I know there are a few 1914 only cards that are tough, I'll see if I can find some examples, likely not printed as often as say, Cobb Red Port. I would not be surprised to see a miscut Ty Cobb, that shows both cards as Cobb. I'll keep looking for miscut T213-2's.

Also, Ted, I have been waiting for that Demmitt to go up in price for many years, but the Polar Bear back keeps going way up in price. Rob

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

.......... Also, Ted, I have been waiting for that Demmitt to go up in price for many years, but the Polar Bear back keeps going way up in price. Rob

This is very true, Rob. A nice T213-2 Demmitt currently sells for only $100 - 200. While the T206 Demmitt (St Louis) sells for several $1000's.


This T213-2 Demmitt was acquired many years ago for $40.







This T206 Demmitt was acquired back in the early 1990's for $250

This T206 Demmitt was acquired several years ago for about $950.





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[Leon]

Great thread and research (especially Todd).
Every now and then it's great to see some collaboration on team and other variations for our pre war sets. The only thing I can add is a pic of the latter of the series, in "collector" shape.

[RCMcKenzie]

I thought I would revive this thread to talk about Hooks Wiltse, as he has 6 cards in the T213-2 set, 3 portraits and 3 pitching. His easiest to find are his 1914 NY Giants cards, next are his 1915 Jersey City cards, and as Rick pointed out in another thread, his Brooklyn cards are the most difficult to find. I have 5/6, missing the Brooklyn portrait.

What's interesting about the Wiltse cards, is that T213-2 clearly had at least 2 print runs in 1915. This sabr bio shows that Wiltse started the season with Jersey City, and later in the season moved to Brooklyn.

www.sabr.org/bioproj/person/ce9bc9aa

[RCMcKenzie]

A quick follow-up about Hal Chase. Chase also has 6 cards in the set, Portrait, Trophy, and Throwing for the White Sox and Buffalo. His Chicago cards are a little more difficult to find, but not by much. What's interesting about this, is that it suggests that they produced more cards in 1914, than 1915 and 1916. This bio includes the story of Chase playing part of 1914 with Chicago, before moving to Buffalo in 1914-1915. As Ted pointed out earlier in the thread, Chase should have T213-2's from 1916 showing him on Cincy, but none are known.

www.halchase.com/biography/

[nolemmings]

Good catch on Wiltse being part of two 1915 print runs-- he not only pitched but managed in Jersey City that year. As for Chase, it is quite possible he had no 1916 card because he did not join the Reds until the first week of April that season, by which time the 1916 cards may already have been printed. Incidentally, this might also explain why he had no m101 cards from that year either.

[RCMcKenzie]

Good info, Todd. Here is more evidence that the print run for the 1916 cards was early in the year, prior to the start of the season. Reulbach is shown with Pittsburgh. From this sabr bio..."The Pittsburgh Pirates acquired the rights to the big right-hander (Reulbach) in the Federal League dispersal draft, but sold him to the Boston Braves just before the start of the 1916 season." So, the card must have been printed between the date of the draft and the start of the season. www.sabr.org/bioproj/person/5aceecce

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

I thought I would revive this thread to talk about Hooks Wiltse, as he has 6 cards in the T213-2 set, 3 portraits and 3 pitching. His easiest to find are his 1914 NY Giants cards, next are his 1915 Jersey City cards, and as Rick pointed out in another thread, his Brooklyn cards are the most difficult to find. I have 5/6, missing the Brooklyn portrait.

What's interesting about the Wiltse cards, is that T213-2 clearly had at least 2 print runs in 1915. This sabr bio shows that Wiltse started the season with Jersey City, and later in the season moved to Brooklyn.

www.sabr.org/bioproj/person/ce9bc9aa

Rob.....very interesting....great research.

Regarding the Wiltse (pitching) card, here are two bits of information with respect to its T206 version that may interest you.

1st.....Wiltse's T206 card is in the group of AB 460/UZIT "twins" that were issued at the very tail-end of the T206 production cycle at American
Lithographic (circa Feb-March 1911). So, given here is a starting timeline for this card prior to its T213-2 issue dates.
This date is evident in an ATC ledger to this effect. Refer to Post #97.. https://www.net54baseball.com/showth...=237816&page=2

2nd..Wiltse's T206 card has a trivial printing omission. In the caption, the DOT after the "Y" in "N. Y." is missing (no other T206 has this error).



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TED Z

T206 Reference
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[RCMcKenzie]

I think the Wiltse pitching is a great card. I had not noticed the missing period after Y. Here's a Tolstoi missing the period and a T213-2 NY and T215-2 for comparison. I don't have the T215-1 Wiltse, but I'm guessing the caption is the same as the T215-2 like these T215 1 and 2 Fords...