1951 Bowman Mantle PSA 7(OC) on PWCC tonight

1952boyntoncollector · #1 01-14-2020, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

A card should not get a 7 with smears. Not a big deal as most avoid OC cards like the plague or pay the next to nothing they are worth.

i think you mean 'what they should be worth' not 'what they are worth' i always thought something is worth what the market/people willing to pay for it. If they avoid a card and pay a much less price (then what everyone thinks its worth), then i think they are still paying what the card is worth...but maybe my logic is off...

pokerplyr80 · #2 01-14-2020, 11:14 PM

7 does seem a little generous. I would have rather seen the ink stains mentioned in the description, but they're not exactly hidden.

scooter729 · #3 01-15-2020, 08:30 AM

I think the card was graded early on by PSA (as evidenced by the 011** slab number), and this card met the standard for a PSA 7 OC at that time. Things have tightened up in the meantime, but this looks like it was graded by the PSA standard from 20+ years ago.

As much as we want to chastise Brent (and rightly so) in most cases, I don't see what he is doing wrong with this card?

Scott S@r!@n

Snapolit1 · #4 01-15-2020, 08:58 AM

Yeah, hard to take issue with their scans.

ullmandds · #5 01-15-2020, 08:59 AM

nothing to see here...just a skipping record.

steve B · #6 01-15-2020, 10:16 AM

Not one comment on how loose it is in the holder?

I know the card size isn't always about trimming, but it's small both ways.

perezfan · #7 01-15-2020, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Not one comment on how loose it is in the holder?

I know the card size isn't always about trimming, but it's small both ways.

I saw it, and found it rather alarming. Wasn't going to say anything, since it's been said so many times now.

But if I were to shell out, this would not be one I'd ever touch. I don't see any evidence of trimming, but why on earth chance it? Waaaaaaay too much extra air space in that slab.

samosa4u · #8 01-15-2020, 12:34 PM

The people who submitted their collections to PSA twenty years ago must be laughing. Most of their cards would get two grades less if submitted today.

Anyways, I see that four 51' Bowman Mantles were sold by PWCC last night. I want to comment on a few of them below:

PSA 7(OC) - $11,500 US sale price (plus tax)

The back of this card clearly shows that it was once in an album. If I had been the grader, I would have given it a PSA 2. Now I'm not sure what the winning bidder is going to do with it. Will he try to remove the crap on the back? I'm pretty sure the previous owner attempted it but failed. When stains get absorbed deep into the paper, then you're screwed.

PSA 6 - $16,100 US sale price (plus tax)

Like the card above, this one too was graded long time ago. The centering is off and the corners look weak. On the back, I see what appears to be a corner ding (see PWCC scan - top left corner). This card would never get a PSA 6 if submitted today.

PSA 3.5 - $10,299 US sale price (plus tax)

Over ten grand for a VG card?

CMIZ5290 · #9 01-15-2020, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by steve B

Not one comment on how loose it is in the holder?

I know the card size isn't always about trimming, but it's small both ways.

Plus 1, this too as well....If I, as a grader, was completely confident of this card NOT being trimmed, I would have given a grade of PSA 5 or 6 (ST) or (MK)

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