Everyone's favorite auction house

[Jim VB]

Leon,

I haven’t posted on the main board here in over 9 years. Threads like this, and members like the OP are the reason why.

A guy who has continued to support and do business with a proven hobby fraud (PWCC), has decided to repeatedly attack an auctioneer that almost everyone here knows to be honest.

He admits that he doesn’t know the guy he is attacking. He admits he has never done business with him. Yet, on several occasions, he has started threads, or added to threads, in an attempt to show this auctioneer to be dishonest.

If anyone here were to attack the OP’s livelihood, or launch an on-line campaign to impugn the dealership he works for, that would be wrong. But we allow him to do exactly that in regards to LOTG.

Leon, in the past, you used to measure certain members here based on their “shit to equity ratio.” Admittedly, since I haven’t posted in 9+ years, I’ve offered neither shit, nor equity, so take my thoughts for what you will. But at some point, you have to decide which way you want a board to swing. If you ever ask yourself where all the solid, long time hobby guys have gone, and why they don’t post here anymore, think back to guys like the OP, who are here to do nothing constructive but revel in stirring up shit.

See you all in 9-10 more years!


Jim Van Brunt

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Leon,

I haven’t posted on the main board here in over 9 years. Threads like this, and members like the OP are the reason why.

A guy who has continued to support and do business with a proven hobby fraud (PWCC), has decided to repeatedly attack an auctioneer that almost everyone here knows to be honest.

He admits that he doesn’t know the guy he is attacking. He admits he has never done business with him. Yet, on several occasions, he has started threads, or added to threads, in an attempt to show this auctioneer to be dishonest.

If anyone here were to attack the OP’s livelihood, or launch an on-line campaign to impugn the dealership he works for, that would be wrong. But we allow him to do exactly that in regards to LOTG.

Leon, in the past, you used to measure certain members here based on their “shit to equity ratio.” Admittedly, since I haven’t posted in 9+ years, I’ve offered neither shit, nor equity, so take my thoughts for what you will. But at some point, you have to decide which way you want a board to swing. If you ever ask yourself where all the solid, long time hobby guys have gone, and why they don’t post here anymore, think back to guys like the OP, who are here to do nothing constructive but revel in stirring up shit.

See you all in 9-10 more years!

I agree

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Leon,

I haven’t posted on the main board here in over 9 years. Threads like this, and members like the OP are the reason why.

A guy who has continued to support and do business with a proven hobby fraud (PWCC), has decided to repeatedly attack an auctioneer that almost everyone here knows to be honest.

He admits that he doesn’t know the guy he is attacking. He admits he has never done business with him. Yet, on several occasions, he has started threads, or added to threads, in an attempt to show this auctioneer to be dishonest.

If anyone here were to attack the OP’s livelihood, or launch an on-line campaign to impugn the dealership he works for, that would be wrong. But we allow him to do exactly that in regards to LOTG.

Leon, in the past, you used to measure certain members here based on their “shit to equity ratio.” Admittedly, since I haven’t posted in 9+ years, I’ve offered neither shit, nor equity, so take my thoughts for what you will. But at some point, you have to decide which way you want a board to swing. If you ever ask yourself where all the solid, long time hobby guys have gone, and why they don’t post here anymore, think back to guys like the OP, who are here to do nothing constructive but revel in stirring up shit.

See you all in 9-10 more years!

Mic drop! Boom!

[pokerplyr80]

I'm almost positive this is the first LOTG thread I've ever started. The others I've commented in were mostly about various mistakes I wouldn't expect from a major AH if I remember correctly. And even in this one I don't believe I called him dishonest. Although I do believe an honest auctioneer should at least follow through on things they pledge to do on their own website. Even if it's only for the first auction or two after the statement is made.

[Leon]

Have you been in contact with anyone concerning these items in question, who has been banned from our forum, prior to posting the thread?

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm almost positive this is the first LOTG thread I've ever started. The others I've commented in were mostly about various mistakes I wouldn't expect from a major AH if I remember correctly. And even in this one I don't believe I called him dishonest. Although I do believe an honest auctioneer should at least follow through on things they pledge to do on their own website. Even if it's only for the first auction or two after the statement is made.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Leon

Have you been in contact with anyone concerning these items in question, who has been banned from our forum, prior to posting the thread?

I assume you must have a reason for asking this, but I don't feel it's appropriate to publicly comment on private conversations without that person's approval.

I made the decision to create this thread alone. If I violated any rule or policy on this site I will accept any consequence alone.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by iowadoc77

Mic drop! Boom!

Yeah, much better we don’t have a free exchange of ideas of opinions. That will
make it a far better website. Lets just have one party line like the old Soviet Union or 1960s Cuba.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yeah, much better we don’t have a free exchange of ideas of opinions. That will
make it a far better website. Lets just have one party line like the old Soviet Union or 1960s Cuba.

Or CU.

Poppage!!
Nice rip!!

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Or CU.

Poppage!!
Nice rip!!

and the new knee slapper Hot Packs.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

and the new knee slapper Hot Packs.

I wonder how long I would last on CU.

[iowadoc77]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yeah, much better we don’t have a free exchange of ideas of opinions. That will
make it a far better website. Lets just have one party line like the old Soviet Union or 1960s Cuba.

Wow. That’s EXACTLY what I meant. Oh wait...

[ullmandds]

Disclaimer...I almost never...ever agree with things the OP posts/says on here...but in this case...I see the point he is making.

Many on here are concerned that nothing is going to change within this hobby in light of all the corruption that has been unveiled.

So when a major player in the hobby makes a statement that he is going to change his auction protocol to do his best to circumvent any issues in future auctions...I...like most would expect that he will actually do this and is not just giving lip service as so often seems to happen in similar situations in this hobby.

As Al said back in june:

Any graded card valued over $500 will be reviewed carefully by LOTG under magnification, along with halogen and long-wave ultraviolet lighting. Should we discover any issues with which we are uncomfortable, the card will be resubmitted to the grading company for review or returned to the consignor at their request.

So while I think in light of what happened, Al handled it as best as could have been given the timeframe...if the above were done in advance of the auction...I do believe there'd be question as to the grade the card was given leading to a delay in auctioning this e95 cobb.

Additionally...if everyone in this hobby who has been found guilty of an indiscretion or two...or 20 in their collecting lives were removed from this forum...this forum would be a ghost town.

[drcy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Disclaimer...I almost never...ever agree with things the OP posts/says on here...but in this case...I see the point he is making.

Many on here are concerned that nothing is going to change within this hobby in light of all the corruption that has been unveiled.

So when a major player in the hobby makes a statement that he is going to change his auction protocol to do his best to circumvent any issues in future auctions...I...like most would expect that he will actually do this and is not just giving lip service as so often seems to happen in similar situations in this hobby.

As Al said back in june:

Any graded card valued over $500 will be reviewed carefully by LOTG under magnification, along with halogen and long-wave ultraviolet lighting. Should we discover any issues with which we are uncomfortable, the card will be resubmitted to the grading company for review or returned to the consignor at their request.

So while I think in light of what happened, Al handled it as best as could have been given the timeframe...if the above were done in advance of the auction...I do believe there'd be question as to the grade the card was given leading to a delay in auctioning this e95 cobb.

Additionally...if everyone in this hobby who has been found guilty of an indiscretion or two...or 20 in their collecting lives were removed from this forum...this forum would be a ghost town.

The OP was off on the sign comparison, but it is true that he had a legitimate point about the card.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yeah, much better we don’t have a free exchange of ideas of opinions. That will make it a far better website. Lets just have one party line like the old Soviet Union or 1960s Cuba.

+1. Post of the Year candidate!

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yeah, much better we don’t have a free exchange of ideas of opinions. That will
make it a far better website. Lets just have one party line like the old Soviet Union or 1960s Cuba.

I don't think anyone has a problem with the free exchange of opinions. Why does it have to descend into personal attacks and name calling? We are all adults here, why can't we all act like adults?

[CobbSpikedMe]

While I understand the point that Al's own policy is to pull any altered card from the auction and he didn't, I still don't understand the controversy here. What he did do was make sure everyone involved had a choice to either get out or stay in the game and all but one chose to stay in the game. Nobody was hurt here. Why even start this thread? To point out that LOTG didn't pull the card in question? So what. They disclosed it to everyone and didn't try to hide it in any way. What's the point in trying to hurt his reputation? I just don't get it. The reason so many people are coming to Al's defense is because he is honorable and has earned that reputation over the years. Honesty, this situation is not some big issue that needs to be debated.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Leon,

I haven’t posted on the main board here in over 9 years. Threads like this, and members like the OP are the reason why.

A guy who has continued to support and do business with a proven hobby fraud (PWCC), has decided to repeatedly attack an auctioneer that almost everyone here knows to be honest.

He admits that he doesn’t know the guy he is attacking. He admits he has never done business with him. Yet, on several occasions, he has started threads, or added to threads, in an attempt to show this auctioneer to be dishonest.

If anyone here were to attack the OP’s livelihood, or launch an on-line campaign to impugn the dealership he works for, that would be wrong. But we allow him to do exactly that in regards to LOTG.

Leon, in the past, you used to measure certain members here based on their “shit to equity ratio.” Admittedly, since I haven’t posted in 9+ years, I’ve offered neither shit, nor equity, so take my thoughts for what you will. But at some point, you have to decide which way you want a board to swing. If you ever ask yourself where all the solid, long time hobby guys have gone, and why they don’t post here anymore, think back to guys like the OP, who are here to do nothing constructive but revel in stirring up shit.

See you all in 9-10 more years!


Jim Van Brunt

[Leon]

Make it 9 1/2 yrs and we call it even? See ya....

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Leon,

I haven’t posted on the main board here in over 9 years. Threads like this, and members like the OP are the reason why.

A guy who has continued to support and do business with a proven hobby fraud (PWCC), has decided to repeatedly attack an auctioneer that almost everyone here knows to be honest.

He admits that he doesn’t know the guy he is attacking. He admits he has never done business with him. Yet, on several occasions, he has started threads, or added to threads, in an attempt to show this auctioneer to be dishonest.

If anyone here were to attack the OP’s livelihood, or launch an on-line campaign to impugn the dealership he works for, that would be wrong. But we allow him to do exactly that in regards to LOTG.

Leon, in the past, you used to measure certain members here based on their “shit to equity ratio.” Admittedly, since I haven’t posted in 9+ years, I’ve offered neither shit, nor equity, so take my thoughts for what you will. But at some point, you have to decide which way you want a board to swing. If you ever ask yourself where all the solid, long time hobby guys have gone, and why they don’t post here anymore, think back to guys like the OP, who are here to do nothing constructive but revel in stirring up shit.

See you all in 9-10 more years!


Jim Van Brunt

[the-illini]

Originally Posted by Leon

Make it 9 1/2 yrs and we call it even? See ya....

Yeah Jim is the problem...

[Leon]

Originally Posted by the-illini

Yeah Jim is the problem...

What am I supposed to do ban someone for saying something which is relevant to the hobby? Al did absolutely nothing wrong in most people's minds, mine included. As someone above said, it's really a silly debate and at the end of it, it solidifies how good of a job LOTG does by the overwhelmingly positive responses seen.

No one is going to get banned for speaking their mind and following the very few rules we have. Same rules as they have always been. I have learned at least one thing in running the forum, you can't please everyone.

And lastly, if you go into a store and don't like it. You leave and come back 10 yrs later, and tell the manager how to run it, what do you think he would say?

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[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Leon

What am I supposed to do ban someone for saying something which is relevant to the hobby? Al did absolutely nothing wrong in most people's minds, mine included. As someone above said, it's really a silly debate and at the end of it, it solidifies how good of a job LOTG does by the overwhelming positive responses seen.

No one is going to get banned for speaking their mind and following the very few rules we have. Same rules as they have always been. I have learned at least one thing in running it, you can't please everyone.

And lastly, if you go into a store and don't like it. You leave and come back 10 yrs later, and tell the manager how to run it, what do you think he would say?

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I agree. Poker Player has every right. He loves Brent Mastro, I would expect nothing less out of the guy.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Leon

if you go into a store and don't like it. You leave and come back 10 yrs later, and tell the manager how to run it, what do you think he would say?

.

I'd at least listen to them seriously. *

While the happy customers are great, I liked talking to the unhappy ones as long as I had some ability to handle or fix the situation.

The happy people will rarely tell you what you're doing wrong.

*I personally don't find anything major that I don't like about the board or how it's run. Maybe a few trivial things, but I say if you find two people who claim to never disagree about anything at least one of them is lying.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Leon

Make it 9 1/2 yrs and we call it even? See ya....

The "Post of the Year" candidates are piling up!

[iowadoc77]

This thread is quickly gathering steam for the "going off the rails on the crazy train" thread of the year