Hey, pennant guys

[Domer05]

Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

There would have been three pairs of tassels, originally.

The graphic looks like a photograph because of a revolutionary process this maker utilized for reproducing the same image, over and over again, on a felt or cloth medium. I'm not 100% sure, but I think this process involved engraving the negative image on a metallic plate; then transferring the image to the felt/cloth applique via ink by pressing the two together. It was cheap; you could make thousands of identical images in no time; and the level of detail was astounding (hence the appearance of a photograph). It was done a lot like how early printers printed newspapers.

Maybe you can tell us whether the applique was sewn to the felt, or glued? I've never been sure.

Also, if you want to display this, rather than restoring it, consider laying brand new felt beneath it that matches your pennant's colors. When viewed from a distance, it will look like one, cohesive pennant. It's much cheaper this way; and, you won't have to mess with the integrity of the pennant, which I think is important for a piece of this age.

Whatever you decide, post some pictures! Beautiful piece. Glad it's coming home.

[jhs5120]

Hey guys,

New to pennants, saw these pennants in a local auction and took a stab at it. I may have over paid, but thought they were neat. Just to learn a bit more about them and make sure I don't get taken, are there any pennants here that I should pay special attention to? A dealer at the national was interested in buying the group, but I wanted to know a bit more about them first and understand what would be a fair price.

Thanks for your help!
Jason

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Hey guys,

New to pennants, saw these pennants in a local auction and took a stab at it. I may have over paid, but thought they were neat. Just to learn a bit more about them and make sure I don't get taken, are there any pennants here that I should pay special attention to? A dealer at the national was interested in buying the group, but I wanted to know a bit more about them first and understand what would be a fair price.

Thanks for your help!
Jason

Lots of $100-$150 pennants here. You might be able to squeeze $200 out of the Dimaggio in that condition. The 1957 looks to be in decent shape. If the tassels are intact, that's a $200-$250 pennant. The red 1947 is the cream of the crop. In that condition, that looks like an $800-$1,000 pennant to me.

I'm intrigued by the 1976 "Yankees are back" pennant. That has all the earmarks of the bootleg pennants that were so common in the 1970s. I've developed a taste for those as of late, so if you're interested in selling, let me know.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Lots of $100-$150 pennants here. You might be able to squeeze $200 out of the Dimaggio in that condition. The 1957 looks to be in decent shape. If the tassels are intact, that's a $200-$250 pennant. The red 1947 is the cream of the crop. In that condition, that looks like an $800-$1,000 pennant to me.

I'm intrigued by the 1976 "Yankees are back" pennant. That has all the earmarks of the bootleg pennants that were so common in the 1970s. I've developed a taste for those as of late, so if you're interested in selling, let me know.

Thanks! I really appreciate the info. I don’t have them in hand yet, but will post more pictures when I have it. Do you think the 1936 pennant has any value?

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

Thanks! I really appreciate the info. I don’t have them in hand yet, but will post more pictures when I have it. Do you think the 1936 pennant has any value?

Oh yeah...I didn't even notice that one. That's a easily a $300+ pennant in good condition. Yours looks a little faded. If the tip is intact, I'd say you could get $200+. Just my opinion...There are many here with more baseball pennant knowledge than me.

Just curious...What auction house were these in?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Oh yeah...I didn't even notice that one. That's a easily a $300+ pennant in good condition. Yours looks a little faded. If the tip is intact, I'd say you could get $200+. Just my opinion...There are many here with more baseball pennant knowledge than me.

Just curious...What auction house were these in?

Potter and Potter. There was also a neat group of 40+ Yankees mini pennants that sold. I won those too.

[Hankphenom]

I saw it briefly and the similar damage pattern and overall appearance caught my attention, too. Was that the same pennant, then? And either way, I'm still not sold on it. I'm not the biggest expert on them, but have collected and bought and sold a lot of pennants over the years and don't remember seeing one like this. If the player was the result of a well-known manufacturing process, as was mentioned, I'd like to see other examples.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Oh yeah...I didn't even notice that one. That's a easily a $300+ pennant in good condition. Yours looks a little faded. If the tip is intact, I'd say you could get $200+. Just my opinion...There are many here with more baseball pennant knowledge than me.

Just curious...What auction house were these in?

I’ve collected/bought/sold Baseball pennants forever... and can’t add much to what Rob already stated. He pretty much nailed it. The only others I’d mention are the two from 1950...

Bronx Bombers is a desirable one... roughly worth $175 - $200, and yours looks nice.

White pennant with Sliding Play is impossible to find in acceptable condition. Very soft felt pennant that did not stand the test of time. Plus the white felt is very subject to soiling. Yours looks better than the vast majority. Worth $150 - $175, given the condition is as nice as it looks.

Lastly, the 1957 WS Pennant is pretty rare. Prob. worth $200 on a good day.

Nice haul!

[Darner]

[QUOTE=Domer05;1905639]Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

Note the damage, it's the same pennant

[Fballguy]

[QUOTE=Darner;1905678]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

Note the damage, it's the same pennant

What he said.

[Fballguy]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Oh, it's the "Real McCoy" alright. Here's another one for sale by a fellow N54 contributor:

https://www.etsy.com/listing/2017660...d_out_detail=1

There would have been three pairs of tassels, originally.

The graphic looks like a photograph because of a revolutionary process this maker utilized for reproducing the same image, over and over again, on a felt or cloth medium. I'm not 100% sure, but I think this process involved engraving the negative image on a metallic plate; then transferring the image to the felt/cloth applique via ink by pressing the two together. It was cheap; you could make thousands of identical images in no time; and the level of detail was astounding (hence the appearance of a photograph). It was done a lot like how early printers printed newspapers.

Maybe you can tell us whether the applique was sewn to the felt, or glued? I've never been sure.

Also, if you want to display this, rather than restoring it, consider laying brand new felt beneath it that matches your pennant's colors. When viewed from a distance, it will look like one, cohesive pennant. It's much cheaper this way; and, you won't have to mess with the integrity of the pennant, which I think is important for a piece of this age.

Whatever you decide, post some pictures! Beautiful piece. Glad it's coming home.

Is it just me, or is the damage pattern remarkably similar?

[cmoore330]

Thanks guys. It is definitely a period piece. The link you shared is the pennant that I purchased from a Net54 member, so I’m fairly certain this is the only one. I’m working with an Oklahoma baseball historian to try to narrow down what team it could represent. Unfortunately, in that time period you had college, semi-pro and minor league clubs.

Both the player and letters are sewn on and it is three pairs of tassles. I haven’t made any decisions on how to proceed with it yet. My hope is that the conservator can give me guidance on how best to preserve and display it. There is A LOT of moth damage, so being able to stabalize it from further damage is my #1 priority. It’s really impressive in person and will ultimately display well.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by cmoore330

I’m working with an Oklahoma baseball historian to try to narrow down what team it could represent. Unfortunately, in that time period you had college, semi-pro and minor league clubs.

Assuming it's legit, it almost has to be the college. Hard to imagine a semi-pro or minor league team using the name of the state instead of the city they played in, although I guess it's possible there were localities with that name in OK or other states.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Assuming it's legit, it almost has to be the college. Hard to imagine a semi-pro or minor league team using the name of the state instead of the city they played in, although I guess it's possible there were localities with that name in OK or other states.

I agree... Most likely a college pennant. Although the colors are more indicative of Oklahoma State than OU. Let us know what you’re able to find out, as it’s an oldie!

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by perezfan

I agree... Most likely a college pennant. Although the colors are more indicative of Oklahoma State than OU.

Has to be OU, nobody would make an OK State pennant without the "State."

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Wasn't State in those days it was Oklahoma A&M and they were members of the Southwest Conference

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

Wasn't State in those days it was Oklahoma A&M and they were members of the Southwest Conference

Has to be OU.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Domer05

Also, if you want to display this, rather than restoring it, consider laying brand new felt beneath it that matches your pennant's colors. When viewed from a distance, it will look like one, cohesive pennant. It's much cheaper this way; and, you won't have to mess with the integrity of the pennant, which I think is important for a piece of this age.

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I had a similar idea, but using mat board instead of felt. Mat board comes in a TON of colors, so you ought to be able to find a close match.