PWCC Huigens Now Has a Criminal Defense Attorney

[jhs5120]

Can we try to refrain from personal attacks.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Truth hurts, huh?

[jhs5120]

Guess that’s a no.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Where were you when Jeff was making personal attacks on Brent? Oh, the hypocrisy!

[jhs5120]

Never mind.

[Rhotchkiss]

I have spoken with Jeff, and I personally believe his heart and motives are in the right place here - he does feel he can do best for the hobby as an active participant, rather than as a spectator on the sidelines. And I respect that. He does have an ethical and professional duty to his client (PWCC), which may mean his client experiences (or does not experience) some "result" he/it otherwise would not have experienced without the Jeff's representation - on that matter, I have been honest with Jeff that I am rooting against him and would like to see serious repercussions as well as restitution.

All that said, please stop bashing him and/or bring up matters that are unrelated to the PWCC matter. Not because I like Jeff or care about his feelings, but because he is has been gracious enough to provide some info on the PWCC matter, which he does not have to do, and his posts are leading to articles. I think the more info the better it is best for us and the hobby at large, and emails bashing Jeff are likely to make him stop posting, which again is not good.

[asphaltman]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I have spoken with Jeff, and I personally believe his heart and motives are in the right place here - he does feel he can do best for the hobby as an active participant, rather than as a spectator on the sidelines. And I respect that. He does have an ethical and professional duty to his client (PWCC), which may mean his client experiences (or does not experience) some "result" he/it otherwise would not have experienced without the Jeff's representation - on that matter, I have been honest with Jeff that I am rooting against him and would like to see serious repercussions as well as restitution.

All that said, please stop bashing him and/or bring up matters that are unrelated to the PWCC matter. Not because I like Jeff or care about his feelings, but because he is has been gracious enough to provide some info on the PWCC matter, which he does not have to do, and his posts are leading to articles. I think the more info the better it is best for us and the hobby at large, and emails bashing Jeff are likely to make him stop posting, which again is not good.

I agree. Girlfriends....or whatever else, doesn't have a thing relative to what we are talking about. And as far as I know most everyone has had a problem or done something they aren't too proud of in the past....just most of us haven't had it hit the newspaper.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I am certainly in favor of restitution. I agree that it would not have happened this early if at all without Jeff's involvement. I can only hope that it ends up being more than a token or modest amount, although realistically there is no conceivable way it is going to come close to the harm inflicted by the many years of selling doctored cards.

That said, without any subpoena power and with most of the industry playing ostrich and refusing to help, the extent of card doctoring, knowing sale of doctored cards, and now (apparently) market manipulation that has been uncovered by collectors and one dealer assisting their efforts is staggering. If the federal government which of course has subpoena power nevertheless concludes that there is no prosecutable case here, or that it isn't worth it, and the culprits escape any significant punishment that in turn might deter others (or even themselves from keeping right on doing what they have been doing), there is no hope of ever cleaning up the cesspool that is this industry. Might as well just drink the Kool Aid and join the others admiring the emperor's new clothes and the trimmed, recolored, and bleached junk in slabs.

We'll see what happens. I am very much rooting against Jeff's client in that regard, and the others.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am certainly in favor of restitution. I agree that it would not have happened this early if at all without Jeff's involvement. I can only hope that it ends up being more than a token or modest amount, although realistically there is no conceivable way it is going to come close to the harm inflicted by the years of selling doctored cards.

That said, without any subpoena power and with most of the industry playing ostrich and refusing to help the effort, the extent of card doctoring, knowing sale of doctored cards, and now (apparently) market manipulation that has been uncovered by collectors is staggering. If the federal government which of course has subpoena power nevertheless concludes that there is no prosecutable case here, or that it isn't worth it, and the culprits escape any significant punishment that in turn might deter others (or even themselves from keeping right on doing what they have been doing), there is no hope of ever cleaning up the cesspool that is this industry.

We'll see what happens. I am very much rooting against Jeff's client in that regard, and the others.

White collar is always the way to go. You can take 10 million and pay 3 million back and be a hero and move on with life Market Manipulation/trimming pays... you just look bad on net54 boards..

but on a beach with 7 million net you look pretty good to all the ladies out there..


If you represent someone and you get them off with zero punishment and even exonerate them in exchange for ruining the hobby forever or #2 make your client have some type of punishment but make the hobby great.....you have to choose the zero punishment...please stop thinking anything else....a lawyer owes that to the client ...unless the client chooses the other option..

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am certainly in favor of restitution. I agree that it would not have happened this early if at all without Jeff's involvement. I can only hope that it ends up being more than a token or modest amount, although realistically there is no conceivable way it is going to come close to the harm inflicted by the many years of selling doctored cards.

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And if it did and he had to pay everyone in the hobby...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3x24oA9sI8

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I am certainly in favor of restitution. I agree that it would not have happened this early if at all without Jeff's involvement.

And you know this how?

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I have spoken with Jeff, and I personally believe his heart and motives are in the right place here - he does feel he can do best for the hobby as an active participant, rather than as a spectator on the sidelines. And I respect that. He does have an ethical and professional duty to his client (PWCC), which may mean his client experiences (or does not experience) some "result" he/it otherwise would not have experienced without the Jeff's representation - on that matter, I have been honest with Jeff that I am rooting against him and would like to see serious repercussions as well as restitution.

All that said, please stop bashing him and/or bring up matters that are unrelated to the PWCC matter. Not because I like Jeff or care about his feelings, but because he is has been gracious enough to provide some info on the PWCC matter, which he does not have to do, and his posts are leading to articles. I think the more info the better it is best for us and the hobby at large, and emails bashing Jeff are likely to make him stop posting, which again is not good.

I agree with this.

I was surprised when Jeff took the case but once he explained it I understood (to a degree) what he is trying to do and I applaud that.

Brent, PSA, and the card doctors/shills are the bad actors here NOT Jeff! Leave the personal crap about the lawyer of one of the above out of this!

Personally I would like to see justice handed down to all those involved as it makes me sick (as it obviously did to Jeff as well as you can see from his first reactions).

At the minimum some things in this hobby will be cleaned up, at least some restitution may be forthcoming, and ultimately something good may come out of this really terrible situation. I have to be content with that. Personally I’d love all the unethical behavior and characters removed from the hobby, and that may happen over time but this is merely a step in the right direction.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

I have spoken with Jeff, and I personally believe his heart and motives are in the right place here - he does feel he can do best for the hobby as an active participant, rather than as a spectator on the sidelines. And I respect that. He does have an ethical and professional duty to his client (PWCC), which may mean his client experiences (or does not experience) some "result" he/it otherwise would not have experienced without the Jeff's representation - on that matter, I have been honest with Jeff that I am rooting against him and would like to see serious repercussions as well as restitution.

All that said, please stop bashing him and/or bring up matters that are unrelated to the PWCC matter. Not because I like Jeff or care about his feelings, but because he is has been gracious enough to provide some info on the PWCC matter, which he does not have to do, and his posts are leading to articles. I think the more info the better it is best for us and the hobby at large, and emails bashing Jeff are likely to make him stop posting, which again is not good.

again, I feel the same way....just everyone stop attacking the guy. He did what he did. It's Fu**ed up, and just move on..... Like the hobby wants. To badger the guy is just stupid. It's his job. Save the vitriol for the scumbag he's representing. Brent Mastso, the King of Shill and cheater effer.

[MULLINS5]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

again, I feel the same way....just everyone stop attacking the guy. He did what he did. It's Fu**ed up, and just move on..... Like the hobby wants. To badger the guy is just stupid. It's his job. Save the vitriol for the scumbag he's representing. Brent Mastso, the King of Shill and cheater effer.

I don't care who represents any of these guys/companies. There's no need to badger the lawyers.

[Jeffrompa]

Originally Posted by MULLINS5

I don't care who represents any of these guys/companies. There's no need to badger the lawyers.

Maybe the lawyer is being paid in PSA graded cards .

[celoknob]

Without getting into the muck, I find it very strange some of the naive accolades being spread here.

[japhi]

Jeff representing Brent is good for Brent, Jeff, The Hobby. Pick two.

It basically guarantees we will never get anything close to a full accounting, and I would bet a lot of money PWCC keep their business and no one at that company pays anymore then a financial price.

You have to be pretty naive to think that a small amount of buyers getting restitution outweighs a full accounting of what has happened here.

Hope I’m wrong but I’m betting that this is the beginning of the end, buyers getting restitution will be signing NDA’s and our knowledge of the scope of this thing will be limited to the tiny percentage of cards the BO guys found.