OMG Blowout list of suspected trimmed modern cards

[Peter_Spaeth]

What I don't know is how these guys operate in terms of their submissions. Do they just submit stacks of altered cards, or do they try to throw the graders off the trail of the altered ones by mixing in clean ones, for example. Either way, it could end up a nightmare for people owning cards with certs in these subs but without the before and after pics. I imagine some will turn out to be obviously altered, but others may not be so obvious and some may even be legit.

Maybe some of the people here who profess such expertise in detecting alterations should offer their services.

[Buythatcard]

There appear to be more altered cards than non altered cards out there. I think that we have to assume that every card is altered out there.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

There appear to be more altered cards than non altered cards out there. I think that we have to assume that every card is altered out there.

+1

I was kind of thinking the same thing, even though we know some aren't.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

There appear to be more altered cards than non altered cards out there. I think that we have to assume that every card is altered out there.

It's a horrible situation, but at the same time let's not overreact.

[RiceBondsMntna2Young]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a horrible situation, but at the same time let's not overreact.

You don’t think it’s possible (or even likely) that there are more altered than non-altered vintage cards in graded slabs right now? The older the card, the more generations of trimmers had an opportunity at it. Even if the profit motivation for trimming ramped up only in the 80s, when investing and formalized numerical grading became part and parcel of baseball card collecting, there was still plenty of reason to trim beforehand, if only to make one’s own card more appealing to the eye.

And in the era of greed, 80s and after, how many generations of trimmers had a shot at these cards before the motivation to trim went supernova with the rise of PSA, SGC, and BGS?

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by RiceBondsMntna2Young

You don’t think it’s possible (or even likely) that there are more altered than non-altered vintage cards in graded slabs right now? The older the card, the more generations of trimmers had an opportunity at it. Even if the profit motivation for trimming ramped up only in the 80s, when investing and formalized numerical grading became part and parcel of baseball card collecting, there was still plenty of reason to trim beforehand, if only to make one’s own card more appealing to the eye.

And in the era of greed, 80s and after, how many generations of trimmers had a shot at these cards before the motivation to trim went supernova with the rise of PSA, SGC, and BGS?

Sadly... +1

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by RiceBondsMntna2Young

You don’t think it’s possible (or even likely) that there are more altered than non-altered vintage cards in graded slabs right now? The older the card, the more generations of trimmers had an opportunity at it. Even if the profit motivation for trimming ramped up only in the 80s, when investing and formalized numerical grading became part and parcel of baseball card collecting, there was still plenty of reason to trim beforehand, if only to make one’s own card more appealing to the eye.

And in the era of greed, 80s and after, how many generations of trimmers had a shot at these cards before the motivation to trim went supernova with the rise of PSA, SGC, and BGS?

It's a very high number but no way is it 50 percent. Not even close in my opinion. Look at ebay, look at 707's store for a good sense of the distribution of graded vintage cards, most cards are still worth relatively little.

[sportscardtheory]

All I know is I will no longer be able to bring myself to make a large purchase of any PSA or BGS graded card/cards moving forward. Small stuff, whatever. I'll buy the card. But if you are talking anything over $50, no way in hell I'm risking spending my money on altered or over-graded cards.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

All I know is I will no longer be able to bring myself to make a large purchase of any PSA or BGS graded card/cards moving forward. Small stuff, whatever. I'll buy the card. But if you are talking anything over $50, no way in hell I'm risking spending my money on altered or over-graded cards.

Same here... and if I do cave in/get stupid or just cannot find it raw (and buy something a bit more expensive), it is getting cracked out the second I take possession.

[Fballguy]

Thankfully, not one PSA 10 Greg Jefferies rookie on that list. Phew.

[Frank A]

Who in their right mind would continue to send cards in to be graded by either company. We have only seen the tip of the iceberg. What a mess is coming.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

Thankfully, not one PSA 10 Greg Jefferies rookie on that list. Phew.

Probably in the bgs 10 black label Bo thread

[Bram99]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What I don't know is how these guys operate in terms of their submissions. Do they just submit stacks of altered cards, or do they try to throw the graders off the trail of the altered ones by mixing in clean ones, for example. Either way, it could end up a nightmare for people owning cards with certs in these subs but without the before and after pics. I imagine some will turn out to be obviously altered, but others may not be so obvious and some may even be legit.

Maybe some of the people here who profess such expertise in detecting alterations should offer their services.

Time for another puff piece on PSA and PWCC to restore the public confidence and paint this as a matter of taste.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Bram99

Time for another puff piece on PSA and PWCC to restore the public confidence and paint this as a matter of taste.

Perhaps our resident Forbes writer will accommodate you.